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[SillyOctpuss]

I believe it's a Chandler/BK Butler Tube Driver variant.

It can certainly get hairy/fuzzy like a FF. Pretty sure it has
nothing to do with a Zendrive, though.... other than being
designed by Alf Hermida.

To maximize interaction with guitar volume changes and picking
dynamics it is ideal up front, in my experience.

Also fun using it to drive/push other pedals....



For me.

It's definitely a FF into a Zendrive, the voice and gain settings are preset in the zendrive part of the circuit. I was looking at the circuit because I'm thinking about building one.

 

[Spaced Out Ace]

It's definitely a FF into a Zendrive, the voice and gain settings are preset in the zendrive part of the circuit. I was looking at the circuit because I'm thinking about building one.

From a PCB or some other way? You might be able to add two toggle switches, one to adjust the voice setting and one to adjust the drive setting.

 

[la szum]

It's definitely a FF into a Zendrive, the voice and gain settings are preset in the zendrive part of the circuit. I was looking at the circuit because I'm thinking about building one.

Who would do that? That's kind of gross. Like mating a Wombat with a Guinea Hen. Why?




I honestly didn't know that.

 

[SillyOctpuss]

From a PCB or some other way? You might be able to add two toggle switches, one to adjust the voice setting and one to adjust the drive setting.

I'm going to do a stock build to see if I like the basic pedal or not. I can mod it later if I feel it needs it.

 

[DrewJD82]

@DrewJD82 (Edit: or others)

With the Dover Drive essentially being a Fuzz Face variant pushing a simplified Zendrive circuit (AFAIK), do you find it sensitive to where you place it in the signal chain?

Actually, I noticed a big difference with the GE Dover Drive when I put it in the loop switcher, very much a similar reaction as the Fuzz Face, just cut off the top end and fuzz, that lasted about 30 seconds on that board because of that.

I’ve used the other Dovers in between other pedals and it’s been fine, I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s a germanium thing occurring with the loop switcher.

 

[DrewJD82]

Who would do that? That's kind of gross. Like mating a Wombat with a Guinea Hen. Why?




I honestly didn't know that.

Makes sense; EJ’s changed it up over the years but largely ran his Fuzz Face into a Tube Screamer that was pushing a clean Dumble. Didn’t know this until recently, but EJ’s dirty rhythm tone got 100% of its dirt from the Tube Screamer and not the amp. I’d imagine it’s been the same ever since his Dumble shit the bed, as he’s either used 50-watt Plexi’s or Two Rocks in it’s place since and the dirty rhythm tone is largely the same.

So the classic EJ Fuzz Face tone technically IS a Fuzz Face into a Tube Screamer. There are a couple board shots out there where the Tube Screamer is in front of the Fuzz Face, but that’s been more rare. With the Zendrive aiming to be a Dumble clone, it makes sense to stack a FF with a Zen to get the EJ thing going.

The 5882 Dover is getting delivered today! I installed the EJ pickups in my old man Strat last week but there’s a short somewhere…..and a vendor might be getting raked over the coals for some “interesting” choices in making a drop-in wiring harness wired to the EJ spec I bought to save time soldering and have had to solder and re-solder several times now.

I definitely should have caught it before even trying to dry fit the guard on.

 

[metropolis_4]

Makes sense; EJ’s changed it up over the years but largely ran his Fuzz Face into a Tube Screamer that was pushing a clean Dumble. Didn’t know this until recently, but EJ’s dirty rhythm tone got 100% of its dirt from the Tube Screamer and not the amp. I’d imagine it’s been the same ever since his Dumble shit the bed, as he’s either used 50-watt Plexi’s or Two Rocks in it’s place since and the dirty rhythm tone is largely the same.

So the classic EJ Fuzz Face tone technically IS a Fuzz Face into a Tube Screamer. There are a couple board shots out there where the Tube Screamer is in front of the Fuzz Face, but that’s been more rare. With the Zendrive aiming to be a Dumble clone, it makes sense to stack a FF with a Zen to get the EJ thing going.

The 5882 Dover is getting delivered today! I installed the EJ pickups in my old man Strat last week but there’s a short somewhere…..and a vendor might be getting raked over the coals for some “interesting” choices in making a drop-in wiring harness wired to the EJ spec I bought to save time soldering and have had to solder and re-solder several times now.

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I definitely should have caught it before even trying to dry fit the guard on.

On a side note: those EJ’s are some of my favorite Strat pickups!

They’re traditional enough to do Stratty things, but much more versatile with gain/drive/fuzz than vintage Strat pickups

 

[FuzzyAce]

Makes sense; EJ’s changed it up over the years but largely ran his Fuzz Face into a Tube Screamer that was pushing a clean Dumble. Didn’t know this until recently, but EJ’s dirty rhythm tone got 100% of its dirt from the Tube Screamer and not the amp. I’d imagine it’s been the same ever since his Dumble shit the bed, as he’s either used 50-watt Plexi’s or Two Rocks in it’s place since and the dirty rhythm tone is largely the same.

So the classic EJ Fuzz Face tone technically IS a Fuzz Face into a Tube Screamer. There are a couple board shots out there where the Tube Screamer is in front of the Fuzz Face, but that’s been more rare. With the Zendrive aiming to be a Dumble clone, it makes sense to stack a FF with a Zen to get the EJ thing going.

The 5882 Dover is getting delivered today! I installed the EJ pickups in my old man Strat last week but there’s a short somewhere…..and a vendor might be getting raked over the coals for some “interesting” choices in making a drop-in wiring harness wired to the EJ spec I bought to save time soldering and have had to solder and re-solder several times now.

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I definitely should have caught it before even trying to dry fit the guard on.

Does it still have a short somewhere? I'd also move that cap up and over the pot a bit more, as it might get too tight up against the wood in the cavity the ways it's sitting now. Might want to check the pickup connections grounded to the pot too.

 

[DrewJD82]

Does it still have a short somewhere? I'd also move that cap up and over the pot a bit more, as it might get too tight up against the wood in the cavity the ways it's sitting now. Might want to check the pickup connections grounded to the pot too.

It still does and I actually moved the cap to the other side of the pot and just extended the bottom cap leg to the same leg of the pot.

I would have loved to have just bent the cap to cover the bottom of the pot, but the maker of this harness, meant to go in a Strat and would most certainly *never* go into anything other than a Strat pickguard……used long-shaft pots so to counter the height above the pickguard I had to add some nuts to the shafts, leaving just a smidgeon of space for the wiring to run under the pots. It took me 10 minutes to get the pickguard flush when I finally did dry mount it properly….everything worked when I tested it with a screwdriver, then once I tightened the pickguard screws I had the short.

Turning both tone knobs to 0 also completely kills the output.

I won’t be surprised if I open it up and see the output wires likely disconnected the neck pickup and are causing the short somewhere along that capacitor.

 

[Spaced Out Ace]

It still does and I actually moved the cap to the other side of the pot and just extended the bottom cap leg to the same leg of the pot.

I would have loved to have just bent the cap to cover the bottom of the pot, but the maker of this harness, meant to go in a Strat and would most certainly *never* go into anything other than a Strat pickguard……used long-shaft pots so to counter the height above the pickguard I had to add some nuts to the shafts, leaving just a smidgeon of space for the wiring to run under the pots. It took me 10 minutes to get the pickguard flush when I finally did dry mount it properly….everything worked when I tested it with a screwdriver, then once I tightened the pickguard screws I had the short.

Turning both tone knobs to 0 also completely kills the output.

I won’t be surprised if I open it up and see the output wires likely disconnected the neck pickup and are causing the short somewhere along that capacitor.

That pickguard pisses me off. I'm being serious. I've put together a lot of Stratocasters, and some have been a nuisance getting in playing order.

 

[DrewJD82]

That pickguard pisses me off. I'm being serious. I've put together a lot of Stratocasters, and some have been a nuisance getting in playing order.

Hahaha Strat pickguards are 100% the origin story of me hating soldering anything related to pickups!

 

[la szum]

Fuzz Face into a Tube Screamer into a Dumble?

 

[SillyOctpuss]

Hahaha Strat pickguards are 100% the origin story of me hating soldering anything related to pickups!

Why? They're the easiest guitars to solder in. There's just so much access vs working in a control cavity.

 

[la szum]

On a side note: those EJ’s are some of my favorite Strat pickups!

They’re traditional enough to do Stratty things, but much more versatile with gain/drive/fuzz than vintage Strat pickups

I never realized until recently how similar EJ and Yngwie are on the Pickup front, and yet get some
seriously differrent results.

Kind of proves it is about the useage and intent, and less about the gear than maybe we like to think.

 

[la szum]

I wonder why I never knew so much stuff.

Now I am thinking about that 200lbs of Fuzz Sean has made in the past that is supposed
to be a Fuzz-Face into a Tubescreamer. When I read that I thought ad copy back in the day
I thought, "Why?" When I bought one and played it I again thought, "Why?"

Seriously. It's taking a circuit that blows out your tone in a big way and then cramming
it all back into a circuit that filters and thins out your tone.

Sorry.

Guess I never knew a Fuzzface needed so much additional assistance to be epic. Sorry, EJ.
Sorry, Sean. But leave the Fuzzfaces alone... and stop making them be what they are not
intended to be.

 

[DrewJD82]

Why? They're the easiest guitars to solder in. There's just so much access vs working in a control cavity.

I dunno what it is, it’s gotta be some mental thing at this point, but the second I bring a solder iron near pickup wires, everything is magnetized by some invisible force that makes every wire try to jump on the soldering iron.

I’ve had zero issue dropping $110-$130 on solderless kits just to avoid it!

 

[SillyOctpuss]

I wonder why I never knew so much stuff.

Now I am thinking about that 200lbs of Fuzz Sean has made in the past that is supposed
to be a Fuzz-Face into a Tubescreamer. When I read that I thought ad copy back in the day
I thought, "Why?" When I bought one and played it I again thought, "Why?"

Seriously. It's taking a circuit that blows out your tone in a big way and then cramming
it all back into a circuit that filters and thins out your tone.

Sorry.

Guess I never knew a Fuzzface needed so much additional assistance to be epic. Sorry, EJ.
Sorry, Sean. But leave the Fuzzfaces alone... and stop making them be what they are not
intended to be.

FFs work better into an overdrive amp than clean. Running one into an OD then into a clean amp achieves similar results vs straight into a clean amp.

I get the FF in tubescreamer thing, I really like running a FF into a Marshall then turning on a klon after the FF to knock it up a gear. It cuts off some of the bottom end bloat from FF and tightens it up a bit, it also pushes more mids into the Marshall to shape the frequencies you want pushed for a solo or louder sections.

 

[DrewJD82]

I wonder why I never knew so much stuff.

Now I am thinking about that 200lbs of Fuzz Sean has made in the past that is supposed
to be a Fuzz-Face into a Tubescreamer. When I read that I thought ad copy back in the day
I thought, "Why?" When I bought one and played it I again thought, "Why?"

Seriously. It's taking a circuit that blows out your tone in a big way and then cramming
it all back into a circuit that filters and thins out your tone.

Sorry.

Guess I never knew a Fuzzface needed so much additional assistance to be epic. Sorry, EJ.
Sorry, Sean. But leave the Fuzzfaces alone... and stop making them be what they are not
intended to be.

Fuzz Faces are certainly great, but they’re on a differently planet when combined with the dirt from something else! Whether that’s amp dirt or a specific pedal-




(That says 50-watt Plexi but I’m not seeing the blue light on the Suhr light up as I play, it’s most certainly the Fractal 100 Watt Plexi Jumped)

 

[DrewJD82]

FFs work better into an overdrive amp than clean. Running one into an OD then into a clean amp achieves similar results vs straight into a clean amp.

I get the FF in tubescreamer thing, I really like running a FF into a Marshall then turning on a klon after the FF to knock it up a gear. It cuts off some of the bottom end bloat from FF and tightens it up a bit, it also pushes more mids into the Marshall to shape the frequencies you want pushed for a solo or louder sections.

Precisely. In that top vid above I kick on the Friedman Deluxe dialed in for really low-gain and in the video say “It kinda tightens up those lower notes and gives you definition”, 100% agreed there!

 

[la szum]

FFs work better into an overdrive amp than clean. Running one into an OD then into a clean amp achieves similar results vs straight into a clean amp.

I get the FF in tubescreamer thing, I really like running a FF into a Marshall then turning on a klon after the FF to knock it up a gear. It cuts off some of the bottom end bloat from FF and tightens it up a bit, it also pushes more mids into the Marshall to shape the frequencies you want pushed for a solo or louder sections.

Oh yeah. I totally get that, SO. FF into Marshall is godly! No doubt about it.

I just don't get the TS thing.... because that is not an overdriven amp.... and it's
frequency spectrum is significantly narrower than an FF. It feels like forcing a
fire hydrant's pressure and volume through a garden hose. FF is the fire hydrant.
TS is the garden hose.


It felt that way, too. Like "Where did my Honey's Ass go? She all skinny and emaciated now."