Line 6 Helix Stadium

[Sascha Franck]

Yes, please less originals and more actual amps

I'd actually prefer way more originals. But then, I'm not the target customer at all.

 

[JiveTurkey]

Is there a Plex delay equivalent in the HX stuff? @Orvillain perhaps?

 

[Orvillain]

Is there a Plex delay equivalent in the HX stuff? @Orvillain perhaps?

There isn't. Particle Reverb is really good, but is its own thing really.

I'm really hoping Line6 can get some epic reverbs in the box after the launch and day 1 update.

 

[mikah912]

Is there a Plex delay equivalent in the HX stuff? @Orvillain perhaps?

Heliosphere delay is the closest equivalent to the Plex Delay/Plex Reverb block. It's a delay/reverb hybrid. Also, Cordy dials in an incredible dreamy cloud delay here with the Dynamic Plate, a compressor and one other unexpected block on a parallel path (Relax, I cued it to get right to it so you skip his Truefire plug and intro song/speech):

 

[Desertdweller]

Is there a Plex delay equivalent in the HX stuff? @Orvillain perhaps?

IMO there is very little out there that competes with Fractal’s Plex Delay. IDK why they haven’t released it as a stand-alone pedal.

 

[Orvillain]

(Relax, I cued it to get right to it so you skip his Truefire plug and intro song/speech):

I did lol when I read this, pressed play, and it was cued to like 8minutes in.

 

[JiveTurkey]

Heliosphere delay is the closest equivalent to the Plex Delay/Plex Reverb block. It's a delay/reverb hybrid. Also, Cordy dials in an incredible dreamy cloud delay here with the Dynamic Plate, a compressor and one other unexpected block on a parallel path (Relax, I cued it to get right to it so you skip his Truefire plug and intro song/speech):

Thanks. Too church-y for my tastes. The sound smothers the guitar. The Plex Delay does this thing I can't put into words it just does ambient right in a way that doesn't feel like I'm about to launch into some church music I would never actively choose to listen to. Ambinece for us folk

IMO there is very little out there that competes with Fractal’s Plex Delay. IDK why they haven’t released it as a stand-alone pedal.

It's something special.

 

[paisleywookiee]

IMO there is very little out there that competes with Fractal’s Plex Delay. IDK why they haven’t released it as a stand-alone pedal.

I'm kinda surprised Fractal hasn't done this with say Modulation, Delay, Reverb, and Plex. Their drives suck, IMO, so I wouldn't be in too much of a hurry for that.

 

[JiveTurkey]

I'm kinda surprised Fractal hasn't done this with say Modulation, Delay, Reverb, and Plex. Their drives suck, IMO, so I wouldn't be in too much of a hurry for that.

VP4 is probably their "final" take on that. I like their drives when used as the baked into the amp block boost.

 

[mikah912]

Thanks. Too church-y for my tastes. The sound smothers the guitar. The Plex Delay does this thing I can't put into words it just does ambient right in a way that doesn't feel like I'm about to launch into some church music I would never actively choose to listen to. Ambinece for us folk

It's something special.

Totally cool. I honestly don't remember it from my FM9 days. I think I liked the "cloud" reverbs Cliff added a few years back, and mostly stuck with them for ambient.

 

[Orvillain]

Cumulonimbus is my favourite Fractal verb.

 

[EOengineer]

There isn't. Particle Reverb is really good, but is its own thing really.

I'm really hoping Line6 can get some epic reverbs in the box after the launch and day 1 update.

I LOVE particle verb, use it all the time, but yeah…it’s almost more of an instrument than a reverb.

 

[banned]

Heliosphere delay is the closest equivalent to the Plex Delay/Plex Reverb block. It's a delay/reverb hybrid. Also, Cordy dials in an incredible dreamy cloud delay here with the Dynamic Plate, a compressor and one other unexpected block on a parallel path (Relax, I cued it to get right to it so you skip his Truefire plug and intro song/speech):

Wow...that sounds quite good in terms of getting those big expansive reverb sounds! Maybe I've been bashing HX reverbs needlessly.

Looks like he's really pushing that decay.

 

[mikah912]

Wow...that sounds quite good in terms of getting those big expansive reverb sounds! Maybe I've been bashing HX reverbs needlessly.

Looks like he's really pushing that decay.

The Decay is the key to getting those Dynamic reverbs to really get ambient and bloomy.

 

[Orvillain]

The main issue with the HX verbs - even the newer ones - you can't get the bright enough before they start losing the smoothness and clarity, instead turning into metallic shimmery aliasy mush. They CAN sound good... but within a window. Not as flexible as the Fractal ones.

You'll notice the Fractal ones have the same problem when you set the quality setting to economy.

 

[TheTrueZoltan!]

Damn, THAT sounds like a great Plexi 800 to me.

 

[JiveTurkey]

Damn, THAT sounds like a great Plexi to me.

Sounds great! \m/

 

[mikah912]

Damn, THAT sounds like a great Plexi to me.

Man, that should have been the first sample video they ever released of this thing.

That is so delicious sounding.

 

[mikah912]

The main issue with the HX verbs - even the newer ones - you can't get the bright enough before they start losing the smoothness and clarity, instead turning into metallic shimmery aliasy mush. They CAN sound good... but within a window. Not as flexible as the Fractal ones.

You'll notice the Fractal ones have the same problem when you set the quality setting to economy.

I can't say I have that experience, but then again I don't see the benefit in dialing any reverb on any platform to be but so bright.

It really has nothing to do with sounding metallic or not, but rather as soon as other melodic instruments into the mix, I find that a lot of those frequencies get eaten up.

 

[Orvillain]

I can't say I have that experience, but then again I don't see the benefit in dialing any reverb on any platform to be but so bright.

It really has nothing to do with sounding metallic or not, but rather as soon as other melodic instruments into the mix, I find that a lot of those frequencies get eaten up.

If you run reverbs in front of the amp as I do, the character of the high frequencies matters a lot. If you're always looking for a clean "produced" reverb sound that sits in the effects loop, then you might not notice it. But it is definitely an attribute across the HX reverbs.

My guess is their topology isn't FDN based, or their DSP budget only allows for small FDN networks, which can still result in correlations across the various allpass filters, or delay lines in the processing chain, which is the number one cause of metallicness in a reverb. Could also be that their modulation sources are not updated on a per-sample basis, but rather a block basis, which can lead to correlation rather than de-correlation as well.

They're certainly not shit. But I just find them only usable within a narrow band.