Line 6 Helix Stadium

As a former Line 6 (2009–2014) and current FAS user (2014–), I’m VERY impressed by what I am seeing so far. I think the mini-DAW stuff can be super cool and I look forward to seeing how other brands (FAS included) will adopt/adapt some of the new stuff that the Stadium is bringing to the modelling table.
 
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This new Stadium pedal contains literally every single feature I can think of since Helix MK1 was released that people have requested and a sh*t-ton more ... so I would just add that the L6 crew are also brilliant at listening to and incorporating users requests.

They just cant do it every week or month or 3 months as they quite literally have a worldwide massive user base using multiple different versions of HX - so changes have to be done in a much different way
Yes this is what I wanted to say, they do this 10 years after where Fractal sometimes gives you your wish one week later .

But yeah different compagny… globally I never had a problems with fractal units,
Where I collect them with line 6 products. Probably the difference with mass production? Not even sure .
 
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everything I've tried to say and more, and better worded
Nowadays, chances are that propietary captures are worse than NAM, We all know that. But if they all give up and just are ok with NAM quality... Then, ampwise, the 2000€ units will be equal to the 200€ units. I'm not talking from a user perspective (which perfectly match what all of you are saying... It's fantastic to have all of that standardized and cheap). But companies need money. That's the ugly truth. They need a chance to sell something different and better. And it can only be better if it's actually better! This is... Applying resources, investing, improving (dynamic captures, zero aliasing, quick capturing, zero gain guessing, zero inconsistencies in capturing process, reduce CPU requirements, onboard capturing, etc) is the only way to get rewarded business-wise.

I'm just trying to think like Yamaha CEO would do. I also wonder what Cliff would think. Where's the point for Fractal to feature NAM compatibility? I only see a headache for him to face this increasing tide of capturing.

I'm not against NAM. I use NAN and think it's fantastic and a clear milestone in digital guitar tech. But I also think that We need more than open source code to improve faster. Collaborative evolution is great (and it would be the optimum way in an ideal world). In a capitalist world... There's just no way that major brands dedicate resources "for everyone".

It's just my way of thinking... Don't get angry with me! Probably I'm wrong. We'll see.
 
@Digital Igloo , are Stadium Helices expected to release later in Europe, or is the June 25th reserve date global?

I see a number of stores in the US already allow preorders, but none of the usual suspects in Europe do.
 
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If the "bar" of their proprietary capturing engine is set lower than NAM, they can only set it higher by supporting it.
If it is set higher there's nothing to lose for them cuz users will prefer the better solution anyway.
So I really don't see the issue.


NAM support doesn't stop the race for improvement, actually if it's a feature that will help them sell more units, it's something that can fund and push further that race. NAM isn't perfect either.

Improvement isn't only about quality anyway, also having an industry standard is an improvement for usability.
Just imagine all modelers only supporting proprietary cab formats and not allowing to import wav IRs: people that play with more than one platform would be forced to search, buy and use different IRs for each of them, or 3rd party producers would need to do double/quadruple work to offer their IRs for more than one platform.
Having a universal format for IRs didn't stop companies from introducing dyna-cabs and similar, for example, or to sell their own cab packs in proprietary formats.

Being able to load your tone on the hardware of your choice is a huge improvement imho and I bet this will expand to effects in the near future as well. Companies can still add value to their hardware by making their platform-specific content which can still be higher-quality or have more features than a capture.
Counterpoint: People are fine with proprietary capture systems if it sounds good, and has a vast library of captures. Nobody is complaining about not having NAM support on Tonex, Kemper or Quad Cortex.

When Hotone released their capture system initially, I was disappointed. The selection of captures was downright weird. There was a lot more captures of cheap gear, or oddball gear rather than what most people really want: the rare classics and boutique amps.

So when they added NAM support (even if it has clear issues with the conversion) that was exciting to me because now I had the vast library of NAM captures to use on my device.

I have to give some leeway to a 399 € box for not being perfect. I think NAM support (even if it's just data conversion to a proprietary system) makes a helluva lot more sense for these cheaper units with shorter lifecycles, less development resources etc.

I can easily see Line6's Proxy become a popular capture platform used across their upcoming and not yet released products like whatever compact unit they will put out. HX Pub Stomp? HX Bar Crawl? :ROFLMAO:
 
Counterpoint: People are fine with proprietary capture systems if it sounds good, and has a vast library of captures. Nobody is complaining about not having NAM support on Tonex, Kemper or Quad Cortex.
They wouldn't complain about having NAM support either, actually a good percentage of those users might even be happy about it... for the rest, it doesn't change a thing. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
They wouldn't complain about having NAM support either, actually a good percentage of those users might even be happy about it... for the rest, it doesn't change a thing. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Sure, but it's not some "Man, I wish I could use NAM captures on this thing" when you already have thousands of captures in the proprietary system.

It would be mainly a big convenience for those making captures. Make one for NAM, load it on whatever. It's a huge chore to make captures for different platforms of the same amp when all the platforms are different enough. Of course, this also assumes that NAM conversion works right, which so far it doesn't on anything that doesn't truly run NAM natively.
 
I'm just going to say it, Stadium is not a very good sub-name for a modeler.
Who plays stadiums in the second quarter of the 21st century, Tailor Swift?
Plenty of artists do.

But what will they call the inevitable smaller units? I recommended HX Pub Stomp and HX Bar Crawl a few posts back, but surely they're not going to go there. Helix Studio for the plugin?

How do we abbreviate it? HXS? Just "Stadium"? "HX Stad"? That sounds like a town in Sweden.
 
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