Line 6 Helix Stadium Talk

[paisleywookiee]

The models in the QC are more than good enough?

I don't think they're Fractal or Agora level, IMO.

 

[dbfretz]

I don't think they're Fractal or Agora level, IMO.

Everyone here seems to hate Agoura.

 

[paisleywookiee]

Everyone here seems to hate Agoura.

A. I'm not everyone B. I don't see that at all.

 

[Richard_G]

Everyone here seems to hate Agoura.

You seem to have a strange definition of hate.

 

[Chocol8]

Everyone here seems to hate Agoura.

It's only a handful of people and they are mostly higher gain players, and I think it is more pointing out an issue than hate. It seems like there is a legit issue, but it is not impacting all amps equally.

 

[TheTrueZoltan!]

I don't think they're Fractal or Agora level, IMO.

I disagree.

 

[paisleywookiee]

I disagree.

 

[EOengineer]

if you’re using a loadbox and connect a speaker to it then it will bypass the impedance of the loadbox and take on the speaker. So you can still do all of this while still using a loadbox

The downside is it’s going to be blasting through the speaker so you’d want to be in a studio or somewhere you can crank the nuts out of an amp if you wanna go this route

I haven’t tested this extensively but if I had a studio and a bunch of cabs then yeah it would be cool to have the amp at the same settings and try out some different cabs as the load to hear the differences.

I don’t think it’s a dealbreaker and the notion that “if you don’t do it that way” then your captures won’t be as good as someone who is doing it that way. I think it’s just a cool thing to have imparted on the capture… but in reality a quality loadbox will be fine

Agreed. I think using the cab as the load can be the icing on the cake for someone trying to reproduce very specific tones from their rig to take out on tour or something like that. Beyond that there’s a good chance we’re over-representing the differences. I still like to use a real cab if I can. The volume is often the limiting factor there.

 

[Chocol8]

Agreed. I think using the cab as the load can be the icing on the cake for someone trying to reproduce very specific tones from their rig to take out on tour or something like that. Beyond that there’s a good chance we’re over-representing the differences. I still like to use a real cab if I can. The volume is often the limiting factor there.

I feel like there is a real difference between using a real cab and a load box when making captures. My experience is mostly with Tonex and NAM, but it should apply to any capture software. That said, I agree that it's not night and day or a deal killer by any means. It's that last little bit of special sauce or as you put it, icing.

 

[EOengineer]

I feel like there is a real difference between using a real cab and a load box when making captures. My experience is mostly with Tonex and NAM, but it should apply to any capture software. That said, I agree that it's not night and day or a deal killer by any means. It's that last little bit of special sauce or as you put it, icing.

Yup, in no way am I saying they are the same. If volume were no issue, all of my caps would be through a cab.

I have some studio time booked this summer so I can crank everything up but until then I’m pretty much saddled to the Suhr RL. I will say there are some instances where I like what the Suhr is doing as its own sort of effect, but I think the behavior is better represented with the cab.

 

[Chocol8]

I will say there are some instances where I like what the Suhr is doing as its own sort of effect, but I think the behavior is better represented with the cab.

The amount of difference is going to vary with how far the cab impedance differs from the Suhr, and also on the amp being captured. You will hear more with a Vox or a Tweed circuit than a modern amp with high NFB.

I don't need a studio to get real cab captures, but I do need the wife not to be home, so my captures have been a mix.

 

[ccc118]

Not to sound like a broken record, but this talk of using a load box to make a proxy capture; is nobody else noticing the fizz happening 'behind' the notes when you roll the guitar volume down on the proxy capture itself?

It's driving me nuts, and nobody else seems to be saying about it.

I don't have any gear to capture, but have heard this on some clones that I've tested that others have shared. It's only on some of the ones I've tried. It's annoying enough to keep me from using them though.

 

[Digital Igloo]

Talking about a Stomp successor, I really wish they made it along "half a Stadium" lines, not like the quarter the OG Stomp more or less is. I could deal with less switches (4 would be kind of a must for me, though) but DSP-wise, please give me one full path with 16 blocks.

HX Stomp is half the DSP of Helix, not a quarter. Or do you mean a it's a quarter of Stadium?

 

[GTR37]

It's only a handful of people and they are mostly higher gain players, and I think it is more pointing out an issue than hate. It seems like there is a legit issue, but it is not impacting all amps equally.

That’s the frustrating part actually because their AC30 Princeton
Deluxe , Tweed Bassman , Matchless are all outstanding

But as many are stating it not only specific to L6 most modellers are darker and are missing some of that bite , in the high gain models specifically

 

[molul]

Everyone here seems to hate Agoura.

As much as they like you.

HX Stomp is half the DSP of Helix, not a quarter. Or do you mean a it's a quarter of Stadium?

I think he meant size, not DSP.

 

[Karl Houseknecht]

As much as they like you.

I think he meant size, not DSP.

He mentioned it in the context of block count.

 

[CorrosiveMatter]

I was capturing the Engl SE/FE and found I had to turn the gain way down, it is capturing way more gain than what I hear in the room. Also with high gain it's not liking extremes for bass/mid/treb and you "Need" to be closer to noon or the capture will be so far off you can't fix it.

 

[OneEng]

Talking about a Stomp successor, I really wish they made it along "half a Stadium" lines, not like the quarter the OG Stomp more or less is. I could deal with less switches (4 would be kind of a must for me, though) but DSP-wise, please give me one full path with 16 blocks.

I think Stadium Stomp is going to be an amazing product. I am guessing less than half of Stadium in terms of processing and 4 buttons (I think that Fractal really hit the sweet spot with AM4).

Agreed. I think using the cab as the load can be the icing on the cake for someone trying to reproduce very specific tones from their rig to take out on tour or something like that. Beyond that there’s a good chance we’re over-representing the differences. I still like to use a real cab if I can. The volume is often the limiting factor there.

I always found that using a real cab, either for capture, OR for live use resulted in every capture having the "flavor" of that cab. It wasn't a great sound .... at least for me.

That’s the frustrating part actually because their AC30 Princeton
Deluxe , Tweed Bassman , Matchless are all outstanding

But as many are stating it not only specific to L6 most modellers are darker and are missing some of that bite , in the high gain models specifically

I wonder if that isn't the main beef many have with many capture devices (ie very high gain models). Where others (like me) play with rigs that are much closer to clean, breakup, or classic crunch. I do very little "High Gain" songs through a night (maybe 1 or 2)... and then we aren't talking 7 string death metal.

 

[Digital Igloo]

I think he meant size, not DSP.

A big reason why HX Stomp still sells (and continues to sell) so well is that it's decidedly not just a cheaper Helix with a smaller LCD, fewer switches, and missing I/O. If we had designed it with traditional multieffects users' demands in mind, it would've flopped in comparison.

Basically, we ignored all y'all and it worked. Kinda like if you want to make a successful Star Wars movie, stay the hell away from Star Wars fan fiction.

 

[Karl Houseknecht]

Basically, we ignored all y'all and it worked.

So what you're saying here is I can ask all I want but I'm not getting what I'm asking for?