Literally none of my posts have been trolling but ok.
Line 6 Helix Stadium Talk
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Chocol8
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Doesn’t the Neve transformer color the tone? I think it was designed to.
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I'm not sure it does really. I've compared various signals through it over the years, never detected any colouration. I do have a couple of Behringturd Ultra-G DI boxes which can do a speaker level THRU as well, so maybe I'll compare. But I'm pretty satisfied with how the Neve sounds.
Karl Houseknecht
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I have to agree with you. I’ve seen some strong opinions and hot takes, but certainly no trolling. He’s probably confused you with someone else.
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Ooooooo.... the plot thickens.....
I did a reamp into my Orange Rockerverb MKIII. First using the Neve DI box. It sounds good. Then I switched to the Behringturd Ultra-G DI box.
With the Ultra-G, the level was a LOT louder... like, tear my head off loud accidentally because my monitors were too loud. Okay... I noticed the pads were not engaged... engaged one of them... a nice healthy level. No hum, no buzz, nothing like that.
my RME interface gain has not changed between these two clips. But you can see the level different I am getting.
And as you can see, it isn't like the Ultra-G is clipping to all mayhem or anything.
Why would the Neve be so quiet in comparison?? I don't know yet. Need to research. My first thought is, maybe it is damaged somehow. But first, continuing with my Rockerverb comparison.
ooooo... and I swear down the Ultra-G has more high-frequency content!
When I level match the clips and compare:
Red == Neve DI box
White == Ultra-G
There are some very very minute differences.
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GTR37
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The “Noboby asked for this , but it’s not awful “ updateYou need to ask for what you don't want
EOengineer
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Is it possible one is putting out instrument or mic level while the other is putting out line?
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Hmmm, I don't think so. But I'll investigate manuals and things later on.
SymphonicDischord
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Man, I’ve had the RNDI for years and it’s never occurred to me to use it this way. Thanks for the reminder! I’ve been curious to try Proxy for myself but I don’t have a proper load box, this solves it. Thanks.
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I suppose so - I think most anything you put in the signal chain will color things to some extent - some much more subtly than others. The direct captures I've made with the RNDI and cab connected sound much better than doing the same capture connected solely to a load box, and I've always attributed that improvement to having the cab connected, but perhaps the RNDI is making more of an improvement than I thought? I'll do some more experimenting to see.
One thing with the RNDI and Proxy clones... To make an amp-only clone, you'll need to use the 1/4" in (FX Loop 4 In). The RNDI needs to be connected via XLR with Phantom power, so you can't really just output RNDI straight to Stadium to make the clone. The way I do it is I connect the RNDI to a mic input on my audio interface (Apollo), and then I pass the signal through one of the outputs in Apollo to Stadium. This lets me fine tune the level out of the amp into Stadium as well.
I do essentially the same thing when making amp+cab captures. Both mics/pres/EQ go into Apollo, get summed to mono, and sent out to Stadium's XLR input for the clone.
I've mentioned this before, but am I really the only one who misses the 8-button stomp setting?
I play 100% in Stomp mode (setting up access to Snapshots in Command Center if I need them) with a preset per song. I really do not like having to tap dance to the mode button to get preset banks and then select the correct preset between each and every song we play. It was so much easier to use the 8-stomp mode and set the up/down arrows to preset so I just need one switch to scroll through the setlist.
When Stadium XL first came out, @Digital Igloo said they were working on a different approach for that, but I haven't heard anything since. Does anyone else miss that? Any news on the alternate approach?
I play 100% in Stomp mode (setting up access to Snapshots in Command Center if I need them) with a preset per song. I really do not like having to tap dance to the mode button to get preset banks and then select the correct preset between each and every song we play. It was so much easier to use the 8-stomp mode and set the up/down arrows to preset so I just need one switch to scroll through the setlist.
When Stadium XL first came out, @Digital Igloo said they were working on a different approach for that, but I haven't heard anything since. Does anyone else miss that? Any news on the alternate approach?
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[Nathan]
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This vid took way longer to put together than I first thought... Proxy (and everything really) absolutely shining here.
I chose the JVM410H cause I thought it would give me some trouble but turns out they're some of the best captures I've ever done. I dont usually put things upto a microscope like this, so even doing it I was pretty impressed. I legitimately couldnt tell whats what if this was a blind shootout (I just labelled everything in the video and I cant still barely hear when its crossing audio sources)
I dont normally spam links but this is a good one. I've attached the proxy clones, links for ToneX and NAM are in the video, all free downloads if you want to check them all out.
I chose the JVM410H cause I thought it would give me some trouble but turns out they're some of the best captures I've ever done. I dont usually put things upto a microscope like this, so even doing it I was pretty impressed. I legitimately couldnt tell whats what if this was a blind shootout (I just labelled everything in the video and I cant still barely hear when its crossing audio sources)
I dont normally spam links but this is a good one. I've attached the proxy clones, links for ToneX and NAM are in the video, all free downloads if you want to check them all out.
Thank you so much for these man. That's one of my top 3 real life amps, and you captured the best tones out of it. Like you, I couldn't really tell any differences between the platforms.
I let the back-to-back play out a couple of times in the background, and it was pretty seamless to my ears.
I'm out of town all week, but I'm slapping these into my Stadium as soon as I get back.
[Nathan]
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I’m going to spend some time doing a bigger jvm pack for proxy nam and tonex, it’ll be free as well. I have a new wave of capture motivation after having a week of relatively flawless results.
Bosons Tear
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I believe presets can be assigned with flags to the songs so that they are queued aitomatically when a song from the set list is chosen
Then, you will get a day one download from me. I assume you have a "Buy me a coffee" link or something similar?
I'm not using Showcase.
Enchilada Jones
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I just had a thought about this so forgive me if I’m wrong…but…for those who aren’t running their actual set list on Showcase…
I think you could load, say 5 presets, each with a flag to call them up. Create a song with no music. Just have a 5 measure 4/4 length to it.
Spread the flags evenly on the downbeat of each measure. On beat 1 it calls the preset, it silently advances to beat 4 where the pause flag stops it from going to next measure.
Loop the 5 bar song.
Set it up so you have a toggle foot switch to start or reverse the play back
You end up with ‘Performance Mode à la Kemper!
[Nathan]
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Yeah, I'm uploading all my packs on here... vast majority will be free I've got a bunch of pedal captures coming as well as the JVM one
Some EPIIIIIC riffage there, love those sorts of dissonant chords
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