Line 6 Helix Stadium Talk

[EOengineer]

I’ll play around some more later and also will try your fuzz face - obviously I can’t a/b your capture with your original but it will be interesting for me to experience what it does compared with my home brew capture.

I’ll also try calibrating my ears - I’ll put my physical fuzz in the loop (so it’s buffered) and see how it reacts to my guitar volume. I’ll then try the proxy capture and see what it does.

I mostly use a fuzz on ten / guitar on 10 when I’m wanting to melt faces so it’s entirely possible that my ‘fuzz roll off reality tolerance’ is not as fine tuned as some people :)

Out of curiosity, is your FF just a standard 2 knob build?

 

[Gary_W]

Out of curiosity, is your FF just a standard 2 knob build?

I appreciate your question as it’s helped me to discover that I’ve been an idiot. Which happens!

That discovery means I’m capturing this thing again - I thought it was a little more polite than I remembered and now I know why!!

To your question - it’s a 2 knob fuzz *mostly*. I wanted a Sunface (Analogman) but couldn’t afford it so had a go myself. The Sunface has volume and fuzz (same as original fuzz face) but then there are two optional additional extras:-

Sunface control. This adjusts the bias and is really there for tweaking your germanium transistors to the ambient temperature….. it’s just a case of tweak it a little till it sounds right. Science it’s not!

The mistake I made which explains why the clean up on the capture was very close to the clean up on the real thing? There’s an optional ‘trim’ control on the Sunface. What this does is to turn down the input to simulate you rolling down your volume control on the guitar. So it’s like a permanent roll off. Set the trim full on and it’s out of the circuit. Guess what Captain Idiot here forgot about when he did his captures? My trim control was set as if I already had a guitar volume roll off when I did the capture which explains why the real thing rolled off so late on the guitar volume taper (as does the proxy capture).

I’ll see how these compare in a bit.

 

[Sascha Franck]

Yes there's fuzzes that work fine after a buffer but you wouldn't use a pickup simulator in front of those in the first place, they don't react to input impedance the same way so don't need it.

Sure. I'm just wondering whether you couldn't come up with a digital emulation that'd behave like a traditional fuzz. As said, at least on paper, input volume (and perhaps also frequency) could be used to modulate any parameter/aspect of the fuzz device.

I was responding to the post before mine.

I know.

 

[Chocol8]

The problem with modeling a fuzzface is there is no way to capture the impact the pedal has on the pickups. With the real thing its a two way street.

 

[Sascha Franck]

The problem with modeling a fuzzface is there is no way to capture the impact the pedal has on the pickups. With the real thing its a two way street.

I'm aware of that, but for at least some aspects of the entire affair, there'd be digital solutions (which can't be realized in the analog domain).

 

[EOengineer]

I appreciate your question as it’s helped me to discover that I’ve been an idiot. Which happens!

That discovery means I’m capturing this thing again - I thought it was a little more polite than I remembered and now I know why!!

To your question - it’s a 2 knob fuzz *mostly*. I wanted a Sunface (Analogman) but couldn’t afford it so had a go myself. The Sunface has volume and fuzz (same as original fuzz face) but then there are two optional additional extras:-

Sunface control. This adjusts the bias and is really there for tweaking your germanium transistors to the ambient temperature….. it’s just a case of tweak it a little till it sounds right. Science it’s not!

The mistake I made which explains why the clean up on the capture was very close to the clean up on the real thing? There’s an optional ‘trim’ control on the Sunface. What this does is to turn down the input to simulate you rolling down your volume control on the guitar. So it’s like a permanent roll off. Set the trim full on and it’s out of the circuit. Guess what Captain Idiot here forgot about when he did his captures? My trim control was set as if I already had a guitar volume roll off when I did the capture which explains why the real thing rolled off so late on the guitar volume taper (as does the proxy capture).

I’ll see how these compare in a bit.

Ok that makes sense - the Fulltone 69 uses a similar control called “input” that allows basically preset cleanup. I have a cap with that at full and rolled back because I did actually find a cool tone that way, but definitely not a straight up FF sound.