Line 6 Helix Stadium Talk

[[Nathan]]

I kind of surprised the usual Y/T Profile/Capture seller have packs already on sale .... when clearly L6 is moving very quickly to "bed-down" Proxy's absolute and dynamic accuracy.

I get its all about money .. but use some freakin' common sense guys

Given 1.3.1 is a big part of this refinement ..... are these sellers going to re-do all the profiles in their 1.3 packs for free over the next month or 2 ...... NO I'd suggest.

Just give it 4 or 6 weeks to settle-in and then sell a much more "finished' / "refined" product.

For Sky Daddys sake, the other platforms took years to fine tune !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It'll be interesting if Proxy (and other platforms using cloud) will give the creators an option to retrain in the newest format, It will really help streamline these sorts of issues. As long as the training file remains the same then that has passed through the amp and they will have the original output, its just a matter of using the latest code/optimisations to create the end result capture.

This 1.3.1 update ironically is a whole new source signal so 1.3 stuff wouldn't have worked. But when things are a bit more stable this would be a cool thing to implement. The creators dont have to worry about re-capturing and customers can also expect a somewhat speedy update to the packs they already bought (you'd hope the sellers dont charge an update fee if things are being easily updated on their end, if they have to recapture things then thats all new work etc).

Anyway yes very early days, these are just great big picture ideas.

 

[wharf rat]

I kind of surprised the usual Y/T Profile/Capture seller have packs already on sale .... when clearly L6 is moving very quickly to "bed-down" Proxy's absolute and dynamic accuracy.

I get its all about money .. but use some freakin' common sense guys

Given 1.3.1 is a big part of this refinement ..... are these sellers going to re-do all the profiles in their 1.3 packs for free over the next month or 2 ...... NO I'd suggest.

Just give it 4 or 6 weeks to settle-in and then sell a much more "finished' / "refined" product.

For Sky Daddys sake, the other platforms took years to fine tune !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I’m just hoping for something similar to Kemper where users can choose from a repository of clones. I had the Kemper Player briefly and I really thought it was a well done unit and I actually really enjoyed the Kemper ecosystem. I bought the Helix Stadium because it promises similar capabilities but provides more IO and a much better interface.

 

[Bosons Tear]

I could have sworn that I heard Stadium whisper "capture me if you can" under its breath

 

[nightlight]

The Proxy tech sounds awesome. I really liked the video that was posted up there.

 

[dbfretz]

There absolutely is “this gen” reverbs in Stadium by the way as DI has said a few times. However I would like to see bigger cloud variations to compete with Fractal.

 

[bucephalus]

It does seem like a rush, but I think as long as they're willing to update some of these captures for free if there's a big update (like what Amalgam did with Tonex v2), then it's okay.

Amalgam have said they would but I've not had any news on any of my packs being updated yet. Anyone else?

 

[EOengineer]

Amalgam have said they would but I've not had any news on any of my packs being updated yet. Anyone else?

I have about a dozen of his packs and as far as I’m aware not a single one of them has been retrained to V2 yet. Not real pleased about how that has gone and have since stopped purchasing from them.

 

[bucephalus]

I have about a dozen of his packs and as far as I’m aware not a single one of them has been retrained to V2 yet. Not real pleased about how that has gone and have since stopped purchasing from them.

Yeah I must admit I really like their work, and Karlis did respond to an email I sent in November saying that they needed the new website up, which would take a couple of months, before they could start on them. I appreciate there's a lot of Tonex previous they have created but by now I would have thought at least done would have been updated.

 

[dbfretz]

Any feedback on whether the 1.3.1 has improved the high gain stuff?

 

[[Nathan]]

Any feedback on whether the 1.3.1 has improved the high gain stuff?

1.3 was out for such a short time I'm personally just ignoring it. I did a round of capturing today and it seems pretty good, fresh slate.

 

[[Nathan]]

Someone was asking about the Matchless and Orange. Had a bit of time with the matchless today, put this preset in the preset thread

 

[Orvillain]

Now with my Orange Rockerverb MKIII... if I tits the clean channel, lower the bass, crank the treble, and then use the attenuator to bring the level down to a sensible amount, I get a really nice "Orange pretending to be a JMP" kind of thing.

But the model isn't really doing that. It's turning into a fuzzy doomer Matamp kind of sound. Kind of an odd difference.

 

[BadCat90]

I see improvement on my end with 1.3.1. Pre update I made a direct capture of one of my amps with the master full on and there was an underlying almost gated fuzzy thing happening underneath the tone. You probably wouldn’t notice it playing in a mix or with a band but it was there. I recreated that capture yesterday and that seems to be smoothed out and gone.

 

[dws2384]

That said, and I feel like it's annoying to even mention this at this point, it's still too bad there's no current-gen reverb (yet?).

I agree. I know many people will push for nonstop Agoura amps until they’re all converted, which is fine and they should do that, but with Proxy now and already 55 amp channels of Agoura, I don’t think it should be the main focus. Seems to be more of a digital realm thing where people need hundreds of amps. Most people I know using real amps use a handful, even if they own 30. Hell most people I know use one 90% of the time.

Some new effects would be appreciated. Proxy can now do drives too, a refresh/new algorithms on Reverbs and Modulations would help take it to the next level.

 

[dbfretz]

1.3 was out for such a short time I'm personally just ignoring it. I did a round of capturing today and it seems pretty good, fresh slate.

Fair but also a lot of people put out captures based on that initial release.

 

[dbfretz]

I agree. I know many people will push for nonstop Agoura amps until they’re all converted, which is fine and they should do that, but with Proxy now and already 55 amp channels of Agoura, I don’t think it should be the main focus. Seems to be more of a digital realm thing where people need hundreds of amps. Most people I know using real amps use a handful, even if they own 30. Hell most people I know use one 90% of the time.

Some new effects would be appreciated. Proxy can now do drives too, a refresh/new algorithms on Reverbs and Modulations would help take it to the next level.

There are current gen effects, this has been confirmed many times.

 

[Chocol8]

I have about a dozen of his packs and as far as I’m aware not a single one of them has been retrained to V2 yet. Not real pleased about how that has gone and have since stopped purchasing from them.

He was pretty clear it was going to require the new website and backend updates before it was possible. He is also offering the updates for free, even though they are a lot of work on his side. But you're not pleased...uh OK.

 

[JiveTurkey]

I always assumed he was some sort of NDSP silent partner turd.

 

[BenIfin]

I have about a dozen of his packs and as far as I’m aware not a single one of them has been retrained to V2 yet. Not real pleased about how that has gone and have since stopped purchasing from them.

Just as an observation, his Pack Prices are getting insanely expensive. The hyperbole with each release is also getting way-full-on too with each release. Every new pack is the best kind of X they have ever used. Still its his business and if people are buying, then more power to him.

 

[guyonthefox]

I've found a bug with the new Orange amp.

On my preset I have 8 snapshots. 3 use the clean channel of the Orange, 5 use the Overdrive. Snapshot 3 (Overdrive) works fine, but the other 4 snapshots that have the overdrive channel set have no sound. If on that preset I switch to the clean channel it works fine. I tried to copy/paste the snapshot and rebooting the machine. Didn't work. I was able to copy/paste the snapshot and then readjust the other amp settings and that worked. Weird.

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That new Orange amp rocks though! Especially with the gain cranked. Since the Orange is so mid-focused, I usually turn down the mid and bass and the Stadium model rips with those settings, really cutting through.

I have the Rockerverb 50w Mark II and the clean channel is identical to the model. I can't dial in the dirty channel the same, but that has a different gain structure so it makes sense.