Line 6 Helix Stadium Talk

[paisleywookiee]

You can be such a melt.

Fucking arrogant, self-righteous, pompous. So much applies.

 

[paisleywookiee]

(I do agree, though)

Yeah doesn’t really matter. It’s a feature.

 

[Orvillain]

You can be such a melt.

A total helmet.

 

[StarF666]

That attitude is as annoying.

 

[Sascha Franck]

Fucking arrogant, self-righteous, pompous. So much applies.

I though you had me on ignore? Can't resist clicking that button, now can you?
And btw, it's you who apparently has no other options than to come up with cheap ad hominems and insults OVER AND OVER again. Possibly says more about you than anything else if that constantly is your last resort in a "discussion" (quotes because you're actually and very obviously not capable of taking part in any meaningful discussion).

 

[laxu]

It all depends on your use case.
And obviously there should be both.

Anyhow, I find it fasscinating how people bring up favourites and block-presets whenever global blocks are mentioned. Just because Boss messed it up so royally doesn't mean they have anything to do with each other. Because they just don't.

It's as if I was coming up with a statement such as "I trade additional footswitches in favour of a new reverb" or whatever other nonsense.

Yeah I don't see the correlation either. Two different features. I'd like favorites on Fractal too, but that doesn't stop me from wanting a straightforward global blocks system as well.

Plus Helix Stadium already has favorites!

 

[crispsandwich]

I though you had me on ignore? Can't resist clicking that button, now can you?
And btw, it's you who apparently has no other options than to come up with cheap ad hominems and insults OVER AND OVER again. Possibly says more about you than anything else if that constantly is your last resort in a "discussion" (quotes because you're actually and very obviously not capable of taking part in any meaningful discussion).

You don't have to respond though. These forum arguments are embarrassing.

 

[CakeEater]

I'm very interested in this remark made by @Digital Igloo at 5:40, and what these external devices might be.

Personally, I'm really hoping for an integrable wireless system that won't need its own power supply. I'm sure that would be priority for them since they make several wireless units already.

 

[Lysander]

So, this just happened The Stadium floor is now shipping in Europe.

 

[Sascha Franck]

You don't have to respond though. These forum arguments are embarrassing.

I absolutely agree - but as you may or may not have noticed, I didn't respond to the **** for a long time. It's just him constantly trying to go at me again and again. So I'm possibly not the guy in charge.

 

[Gary_W]

I know DI mentioned ‘hopefully March’ for Proxy.

Prior to the last release in December, it was teased that we’d have 7 Agoura amp channels between 3 new amps. Has there been any teasers about what might be coming with the next release beyond ‘hopefully proxy’?

 

[Orvillain]

I know DI mentioned ‘hopefully March’ for Proxy.

Prior to the last release in December, it was teased that we’d have 7 Agoura amp channels between 3 new amps. Has there been any teasers about what might be coming with the next release beyond ‘hopefully proxy’?

Nope, but I'm sure it'll be damn tasty!!

 

[Sascha Franck]

Yeah I don't see the correlation either. Two different features.

It's perhaos also because some folks are aware of the Boss way. Which is completely messing either/both block presets and global blocks up unless you are in controlfreak mode all the time or just avoid one of the functions (in my case it's presets).

 

[laxu]

It's perhaos also because some folks are aware of the Boss way. Which is completely messing either/both block presets and global blocks up.

What does Boss do different from Fractal?

On Fractal you have global blocks, and then assign those global blocks to presets. They then have a complicated system around "does this preset only load this data, or does it also alter it when you save the preset", plus zero visibility to which presets use which global blocks from what I remember. That makes it feel like a tacked on, never improved feature that is not friendly to approach.

 

[DanRad]

It's perhaos also because some folks are aware of the Boss way. Which is completely messing either/both block presets and global blocks up unless you are in controlfreak mode all the time or just avoid one of the functions (in my case it's presets).

Well, aren't global blocks just favorites except that if you change one after you drop it into a preset, it changes everywhere?

 

[Sascha Franck]

What does Boss do different from Fractal?

Well, Boss is using the same internal "architecture" for block presets and global blocks. Which means that in case you don't take care all the time, you might accidentally be overwriting a preset used for global blocks when all you wanted is to save the settings for later usage.
Add to this that when saving, you don't get a list of what's saved already, so before you know which of the 10 slots would be free for saving, you need to reach for the open dialog (which will show all presets), have a look and then cancel (unless you have each and every of your block presets in mind - which is just impossible).
As a result, when you're using the global block functionality, you better don't use block presets (unless it's for anything meant to become a global block).
Really, it's quite tough to think of a worse implementation - but the Fractal way doesn't look too shiny, either.

All of this is why I still think that global blocks would possibly realized best within global groups (or setilist or whatever you might call it).
Anything outside of these groups could never be affected. Yes, that would result in having to reassign all global blocks once you wanted a patch in another setlist/group, but that could be done more or less easily in case they were available from a preset-alike menu (showing you all global blocks used in whatever setlists/groups).

 

[ian_dissonance]

What does Boss do different from Fractal?

On Fractal you have global blocks, and then assign those global blocks to presets. They then have a complicated system around "does this preset only load this data, or does it also alter it when you save the preset", plus zero visibility to which presets use which global blocks from what I remember. That makes it feel like a tacked on, never improved feature that is not friendly to approach.

I don’t really find the Boss thing too difficult outside the poor labeling in the app. Each block type has 10 “stomp boxes” that can be shared across presets. When you move to a block to edit you can see if it’s a global block or not and if you don’t want it to change others just turn the stompbox preset to Patch Data and go to town. Block presets would be great too as long as they’re unlinked from global blocks. The least complicated way to do this stuff is usually the best IMO. The more options you put into either of these features the more convoluted they become.

 

[Sascha Franck]

Well, aren't global blocks just favorites except that if you change one after you drop it into a preset, it changes everywhere?

Well, if you wanted to put it that way - kinda. But then, the two functions should be kept completely separate so there's zero risks to mess up things. Once you somehow connect favourites to global blocks, chances are you'd run into conflicting situations (both given the actual functionality and the way the user would handle things).
IOW, when you load a block preset/favourite, it should be just that and never alter the preset.

Yes, all of that leaves us with some questions about how to actually implement these things - but as said, it should *never* be done the Boss way.

I'd also think that safety would come with some drawbacks - at least all the ways I thought about would have some drawbacks. But in return, they'd be safe to deal with.

 

[paisleywookiee]

I though you had me on ignore? Can't resist clicking that button, now can you?
And btw, it's you who apparently has no other options than to come up with cheap ad hominems and insults OVER AND OVER again. Possibly says more about you than anything else if that constantly is your last resort in a "discussion" (quotes because you're actually and very obviously not capable of taking part in any meaningful discussion).

You're such a fucking hypocrite. You take jabs too, when I had you on ignore. Seriously, go fuck yourself, you miserable asshole. You get into arguments with literally everyone on this board, and yet you think everyone else are the crazy ones. I literally couldn't think less of anyone else on this board.

 

[Sascha Franck]

Block presets would be great too as long as they’re unlinked from global blocks.

Yeah, and that's where Boss fails so miserably. Because they're pretty much one thing.

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Here's one possible scenario:

- When saving a patch with global block data, it *must* ask whether you want to keep the global block data or not. Unless...
- Ideally, there should be global block groups, a) for additional sanity, b) to keep the list of available global blocks manageable. In that case patches saved outside of the group would automatically lose all assignments whereas the assignments would be kept inside that group, which I'd actually find to be a decent solution.
- All global blocks should be available from a preset-alike menu. Just that this menu should have zero to do with block presets. In case a group approach is available, the number of global blocks in these lists (which should always only show the global blocks in that very group) should be very manageable. I mean, given my current setups, I have around 7 global blocks in use per gig.