Line 6 Helix Stadium Talk

[Sascha Franck]

I think that’s pretty much the functionality I’m thinking of when I say I’d like to have «global blocks» as an option.

Fwiw, very obviously, it'd only be optional.

 

[bucephalus]

So you don't understand it, either.
Because there's nothing to agree with. It's an additional feature. Why would anyone even think about disagreeing? Use it or don't. But stop telling people it's nonsense or whatever.

I understand it perfectly well, and I don't agree it's a good feature to change every preset based on one change.

 

[Richard_G]

Thing is, it will not change every preset, only the ones you have set to be able to be changed this way.

 

[ian_dissonance]

I understand it perfectly well, and I don't agree it's a good feature to change every preset based on one change.

That’s not how it works. It only would work on blocks that are getting their settings from an assigned block preset. If you don’t want anything linked you don’t have to, or you could have two presets that have linked blocks that would ONLY effect those presets where those blocks are looking at a preset. If it’s not something useful you just wouldn’t use it, it’s not a global setting that affects all presets.

 

[Sascha Franck]

I understand it perfectly well, and I don't agree it's a good feature to change every preset based on one change.

There is *nothing* to agree or disagree with.
A) Can you tweak a block so it's reflected in multiple patches? No. So that's a fact, nothing to agree or disagree with.
B) Do I wish that was possible? Yes. Again, that's a fact, nothing to agree or disagree with.
C) Do I want *all* blocks to be global blocks *all* the time? No, I want it to be optional (and it should be absolutely obvious, too).

If (C) wasn't the case, you'd have something to disagree with. But as it's not, you simply don't.

As said, you apparently either don't understand what this is about or how it's implemented in the two units featuring global blocks.

Disagreeing on this would be like:
Person A: "I wish there was this and that amp in the Helix!"
Person B: "I disagree!"

You can see how meaningless that'd be, right?
It's an option that some people would use and others wouldn't. As easy as that.

Thing is, it will not change every preset, only the ones you have set to be able to be changed this way.

It would not even change every preset, just the blocks you've assigned to be global.
You could still change everything else per preset. Heck, you could call up the same block type again and it'd work as usual. At least that's what such a feature *must* work like, otherwise it'd be completely meaningless. And it's also how it actually works in both the GT-1000 and Axe FX.

 

[Sascha Franck]

the whole point is that it's a CHOICE to use them or not.

Absolutely.
Same as with whatever metal-oriented amps. I don't need them, so I just don't use them.
But would I ever "disagree" with anyone wishing for more? No, because they wouldn't get in my way at all (at worst, they'd take away development man hours that I'd personally invest elsewhere - but maybe not even that, and it'd still not be something I'd blame, let alone "disagree" with).

 

[dean701]

Absolutely.
Same as with whatever metal-oriented amps. I don't need them, so I just don't use them.
But would I ever "disagree" with anyone wishing for more? No, because they wouldn't get in my way at all (at worst, they'd take away development man hours that I'd personally invest elsewhere - but maybe not even that, and it'd still not be something I'd blame, let alone "disagree" with).

In case you want to officially submit your idea:

 

[Sascha Franck]

In case you want to officially submit your idea:

I've submitted the idea several times already.

 

[eggpl@nt]

I mentioned earlier that I wasn't having any issues with the Stadium editor. I must recant. I wanted to upload some of my IRs in a way that mirrors the nested folder format on my computer and whooo boy. Shit is whack. Navigating between nested folders doesn't work, the app keeps crashing. I'm gonna hold off on doing any more of this because it's so, so clunky.

If they can get this stable, it will be incredible. Until then, it's unusable (IME).

 

[brianwahl]

Just popping into this thread to say I use the Global Blocks feature in Fractal. I love it, and it would be awesome to have that kind of functionality in Stadium.

 

[Rewolf]

I supported the Global Blocks IdeaScale suggestions for OG, it would still be very useful for me when Stadium supports my JTV.

 

[Sascha Franck]

Fwiw, apart from the mentioned merely live playing related aspects of global blocks, here's some more.

When you can't manage to cram yet some more stuff into your kitchen sink preset, what are you doing? Right, you copy the preset and replace some things. Now, what if you only wanted some FX to be different (those that didn't fit in your original preset anymore)?
Global blocks come to the rescue. You'd just keep everything the same but the FX you want to replace - which, btw, is also why a "group" option would be great, allowing you to save patches so for a start everything would be a global block.
Obviously, this would as well be a great idea if you just hate to deal with too complexed kitchen sink presets.

Another thing that would've applied to the OG Helix Floor (no idea whether L6 will do it in the same fashion for the Stadium series): When you wanted gapless switching between presets, you had to sacrifice an entire path. There goes your kitchen sink preset already. To still be able to run the same stuff, you'd just use global blocks and spread the load over 2 or more presets.

Fwiw, to get an idea of how things could as well work (not exclusively, just another side effect) , it might be kinda useful to think of this as an extended snapshot function.

 

[Orvillain]

Just popping into this thread to say I use the Global Blocks feature in Fractal. I love it, and it would be awesome to have that kind of functionality in Stadium.

I'd trade every single global block slot and every single IR slot but 1, to have a proper favouriting system where I can just quickly browse block presets on the hardware, without requiring a computer.

 

[paisleywookiee]

I'd trade every single global block slot and every single IR slot but 1, to have a proper favouriting system where I can just quickly browse block presets on the hardware, without requiring a computer.

Favorites/Library on-device is much more important than global blocks.

 

[Sascha Franck]

Wet bedroom warrior dreams.

 

[bucephalus]

Wet bedroom warrior dreams.

You can be such a melt.

 

[Mongillo19]

You can be such a melt.

You don't think he knows that

 

[Sascha Franck]

You can be such a melt.

Happily so.

 

[Richard_G]

Favorites/Library on-device is much more important than global blocks.

(I do agree, though)

 

[Sascha Franck]

(I do agree, though)

It all depends on your use case.
And obviously there should be both.

Anyhow, I find it fasscinating how people bring up favourites and block-presets whenever global blocks are mentioned. Just because Boss messed it up so royally doesn't mean they have anything to do with each other. Because they just don't.

It's as if I was coming up with a statement such as "I trade additional footswitches in favour of a new reverb" or whatever other nonsense.