Line 6 Helix Stadium Pre-Launch Discussion

[Foxmeister]

EDIT: Where's that guy who promised to pony up $500 for the Agoura Animal Shelter if a new Helix didn't drop by the end of 2023?

Not on TGP anymore, but he does crop up here from time to time.

 

[molul]

Well, as exaggerating as it might come across, it's a part of the bigger scheme of things.
Seriously, IMO we should try to avoid AI as much as it gets in all areas that are kinda genuine to human beings. Hence anything involving "taste", "art", "creativity" and what not.

And just so you know: That AI patch creator wouldn't even be too much of a bad thing. But as it'd likely have to rely upon any existing LLM AI (even if it was just for the databases it needed to have access to), I'd rather just not have it.

I mean, ignoring AI won't prevent it from being everywhere in the following years. It's just gonna happen, no matter what we do. I think it's better to accept it than believing it's a war we can win at all

And you would always have the option of not using it, like that guy who wanted a Helix Stadium OS without the Showcase feature. It's just so easy not to use it

 

[Sascha Franck]

I think it's better to accept it than believing it's a war we can win at all

I completely disagree. In fact, I think it's our moral obligation to fight AI in some areas (I don't even deny it could be very useful in other areas). Anything creative qualifies for that.

 

[ian_dissonance]

And you would always have the option of not using it

For music.
A good portion of the world is going to have it foisted upon them if their job is much more than moving things from one place to another (and then still, probably some “AI” reporting tool). Of course it has uses, “finishing” songs for lazy songwriters and iterating melodies for people who never learned enough about the thing they supposedly want to do is goofy.

 

[Sascha Franck]

There's been that meme, kinda went like:

"10 years ago I was hoping about robots to do the housekeeping and ironing, so I'd have more time to make music - 10 years later and I'm still housekeeping and ironing and the music is taken care of by robots."

Absolutely spot on.

AI could (and should) be used to adress hunger, poverty, solve scientific problems, research medicines and what not. But it should be kept out of anything creative, FFS.

 

[GTR37]

There's been that meme, kinda went like:

"10 years ago I was hoping about robots to do the housekeeping and ironing, so I'd have more time to make music - 10 years later and I'm still housekeeping and ironing and the music is taken care of by robots."

Absolutely spot on.

AI could (and should) be used to adress hunger, poverty, solve scientific problems, research medicines and what not. But it should be kept out of anything creative, FFS.

That’s valid , I have an ex band mate was an average guitarist wrote lyrics
He just sent me some songs that were done with Songster
And they sound 100% better than his stuff , but he was laughing saying nobody knows and because he pays a $50 subscription fee he can make like 20 songs and he owns the rights and can release them on any format he likes
I was shocked because I k ew nothing like this exsisted but also how lazy he was and how proud of these songs he never wrote
I could never do that , part of the fun of being a musician and writing stuff is the challenge and time that goes into putting it all together and arranging it

 

[ispunk]

Did someone already post this and I missed it?

This is the video for people who string their guitars with loose rubber bands (or "gum bands" for those of you who use that term).

 

[ispunk]

There "might" be. But people aren't using things responsibly. It just doesn't happen. And the downsides of AI, especially in anything related to arts, by *far* outweigh the possible benfits.
IOW, while I perfectly understand how you could use Suno (or your hypothetical AI-jam-band) in a productive fashion, this isn't happening.

What's happening is that we're giving away centuries of cultural heritage to an uncontrollable monster (and yes, that's in fact an appropriate word). We can already see the outcome of this. And it's not going to get any better, more to the opposite.
The entire professional music production scene will be completely destroyed in not even a handful of years to come (sure, live playing will survive for quite a while to come, but younger folks - at least over here - aren't that much interested in it already anymore).

And it doesn't stop there but will as well have an impact on our mere amateur-ish circles.
I'm kinda active in a german forum dedicated to (mainly hobbyist) recording and related things. You won't believe how many people have already been "busted", using Suno tracks while pretending they were their own. Or rather: Most often these folks just don't even say anything about how things were created (which is what that forum is a lot about) and go completely silent when you ask them.

For a whole number of years, you could do your thing in your home studio, then post it for some 50-ish listeners and at least get some criticism or some positive feedback. Which is just terrific to keep you going. These days, it's all completely obsolete because you're just buried in the massive output of at least partially (often fully) AI-created "productions", which by now are even coming along in incredible quality (both musically and sonically).
So, why exactly would you keep going with your home productions when a few clicks could generate dozens of better sounding things in seconds and when your small potential audience is by now reduced to zero because of the inflationary amount of AI music?
Sure, there's the value of the creative process, but it's still getting increasingly frustrating.

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Then, as it has been brought up: "Technology has always destroyed jobs!"
Very true. But what's happening right now is new for a number of reasons.

When blacksmiths were about to become obsolete because cars were the new hot thing, it didn't happen overnight. It took about a generation, so if you were a blacksmith you were able to prepare your son to not become a blacksmith as well.
But when you were an aspiring, say, graphic designer just 5 years ago, chances are that you're out of jobs today already.
Things right now are happening at a pace that us mere humans aren't able to follow or adjust to anymore.

And as said above: We're just giving away our cultural heritage for nothing (but a little bit of quick success for a handful of folks).
In a very small amount of years, we'll be flooded with movies starring Charlie Chaplin as the new 007 and Marilyn Monroe as the new Bond girl, with Fritz Lang being the director and the score being created by a mixture of Hans Zimmer and the Sex Pistols. And it will all look and sound absolutely real.

Writing will be affected just as much. If you are into, say, realistic historic novels, who do you think would be the best to do the required research? Certainly not a human being. And you could have it written in any style between John Grisham and Douglas Adams.

And none of that is in the far future, because all of these things are happening right now. You may still be able to distinguish between real human and AI works, but it's a matter of a handful of years (at best) for that to become completely impossible.

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So, in a nutshell: When it comes to AI (at least in all areas somewhat related to creativity), no, I'm not black and white. It's full stop black.

Sorry for such a long OT post, we should possibly have a dedicated AI thread indeed. But to get more on topic, how about requesting Line 6 to come up with a direct link between Showcase and Suno? You might not even need to play through your AI created presets yourself anymore. Heck, you could just have someone setting up a Stadium and a holographic avatar of yourself for your next gigs. The advance being that you could even play multiple gigs parallely. Come to think of it: The Stadium could as well just be a holographic avatar.

Could you have AI summarize that book for me?

 

[Sascha Franck]

Could you have AI summarize that book for me?

Here’s a summary of the post:

• The author criticizes the infiltration of AI-generated content in creative fields like music, arguing that it threatens cultural heritage and undermines both professional and hobbyist creators. The Gear Forum
• They note that home-studio musicians are already being drowned out by the volume and quality of AI-assisted productions, making it harder for human-created work to be noticed. The Gear Forum
• The pace of technological change is described as much faster than in previous job-disruptions; creators now have very little time to adapt. The Gear Forum
• They foresee a future where AI-driven content (music, novels, films) becomes indistinguishable from human work, making it harder to value human creativity. The Gear Forum
• Although somewhat off the main topic thread, they tie it back by suggesting that devices like the Line 6 Helix Stadium could eventually integrate AI-preset creation, or even holographic avatars for performances. The Gear Forum

 

[ispunk]

Here’s a summary of the post:

• The author criticizes the infiltration of AI-generated content in creative fields like music, arguing that it threatens cultural heritage and undermines both professional and hobbyist creators. The Gear Forum
• They note that home-studio musicians are already being drowned out by the volume and quality of AI-assisted productions, making it harder for human-created work to be noticed. The Gear Forum
• The pace of technological change is described as much faster than in previous job-disruptions; creators now have very little time to adapt. The Gear Forum
• They foresee a future where AI-driven content (music, novels, films) becomes indistinguishable from human work, making it harder to value human creativity. The Gear Forum
• Although somewhat off the main topic thread, they tie it back by suggesting that devices like the Line 6 Helix Stadium could eventually integrate AI-preset creation, or even holographic avatars for performances. The Gear Forum

Thank you. I need rants presented in an easily digestible format.

 

[ian_dissonance]

This is the video for people who string their guitars with loose rubber bands (or "gum bands" for those of you who use that term).

I’m tuned way lower than that and I don’t really like any of those tones. The 5150 rhythm channel sounds cool because the riff is cool.

 

[Lysander]

I’m tuned way lower than that and I don’t really like any of those tones. The 5150 rhythm channel sounds cool because the riff is cool.

The tones themselves i like just fine, but for some reason they were all dialed a bit too dark to my tastes.

 

[Fireproof]

This is the video for people who string their guitars with loose rubber bands (or "gum bands" for those of you who use that term).

Lmao.

Yeah I just remember all the requests for high gain type sounds and it showed up in my insta feed. Didn’t realize they were part of that other video.

 

[ian_dissonance]

The tones themselves i like just fine, but for some reason they were all dialed a bit too dark to my tastes.

Really? I thought they were overally bright and crispy. Very 2011 Djent forum tones.

 

[Lysander]

Really? I thought they were overally bright and crispy. Very 2011 Djent forum tones.

I know my Plexis and 800's pacthes usually sound like a can of bees unless i dime the treble way down it's a bit of a balancing act.

 

[paisleywookiee]

@Calaban I can do it too!

 

[Lysander]

Behold, a play in three acts:

John, i know you're reading this, and we love you - but there's no need to do a video for everything

 

[paisleywookiee]

John, i know you're reading this, and we love you

No, we don't.

 

[crispsandwich]

Cordy does my head in. So many self-important morons making videos about a unit no-one has played yet and blathering on for 10mins + for clicks. They make me cringe. No-one cares about your opinions. Shut the F up and play your guitar.

 

[bucephalus]

John, i know you're reading this, and we love you

Speak for yourself here.