Line 6 Helix Stadium Pre-Launch Discussion

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In any kind of arts, AI should have no place. There's sufficient paintings, music, statues (etc.) and makers of all of those to supply us for eternity already.



If you can't create presets yourself, that means you're not exactly mastering the tools you're using.



Maybe. But maybe you'd profit more from learning a DAW. And in case you want interaction, look for other musicians.
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It depends on a simple thing: if you use AI to create a whole song or album and put your name on it, you're no artist. But if you use AI as any other tool to speed up mechanical stuff (like creating a preset), the result is still yours.

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There's a difference between using AI without knowing your device at all, and using it knowing it (a decent amount of it) and prefer spending just 1 minute dialing an AI-generated preset instead of 10 minutes just clicking buttons and rotating encoders to reach the same place.

If the preset sounds great, and the song you used it in sounds great, what's the problem? It's not a real song unless you did the 100.00% of it? What about making the drums with a drums plugin or a drum machine instead of playing acoustic drums yourself? What about making a sequence of loops instead of recording a drum pad played by yourself? What about using a harmonizer to record a harmonized solo instead of recording both the melody and the harmony? And what about hiring a guy to play drums in your song? You can't call it your song because you didn't do everything?

A few decades ago, electronic music wasn't considered real music for being created with machines. In the end, the world understood it's the music what matters.

3 What if you don't find enough talented musicians, with enough spare time, enough money for basic equipment, easy going, committed, etc, to play with? What if you, either forever or just for a long time, can't commit to playing with other people but still want to jam for a little while from time to time?

You're too much black or white on everything. There's a huge gray in between with so many good things to be had.

It's fine to be worried about people who have spent 1/100th of the time you've spent learning music and all related things making things that are perceived as just as good or better than anything you've done, but A) it's coming and it's unavoidable, and B) it's not like current music scene is the best in history anyway.

I don't think a guy being able to play with an interactive AI-generated jam band, or creating a preset with a prompt, will be the beginning of the end of music. Music will be killed by the industry stopping to sign human artists and just uploading loads of AI-generated music to Spotify that will be listened by millions of people and create huge revenue (and this will come in less than 10 years). And what the heck, music as an art was killed by the industry so long ago.

We who value "higher stuff" in art are the minority. Most people already just care more about non-art related things like being good looking, or viral, or having been in a talent or reality show... We who still remember how it was before, know that music shouldn't be forced not to be longer than 3:30 to be successful, but new generations don't have this perspective, and the future people is who will decide what music will be successful (!= good)


If you need AI to dial in sounds on what is supposed to be the easiest to use modeler in the universe; I'd probably just go ahead and stop playing guitar altogether.
Imagine I'm the person who knows Helix Stadium the most: what's the problem with creating a preset starting with an AI prompt instead of making 50-100 clicks and rotating encoders 36000 degrees?

You know what you want, but you just want to reach faster. If you do know your device, you will modify any AI-generated preset.

You're just thinking of the guy who doesn't know the device he's using, but there are much more use cases.

And any way: what's the problem if your guitarist comes to a rehearsal with an AI-only-generated preset and you write the song of your lives out of a jam where he was using that preset? It's not real music because AI had a very small part on it?

Yup. The fact that we’ve got people cheering for the Black Mirror episode to become real life is disheartening, but not surprising.
For what is worth, I'm not cheering for bad stuff that will come with AI (and it will), but rejecting a technology won't prevent it from coming. Being it unavoidable, why not thinking about the advantages you could legitimately take from it?

I hate social media. I only open mine to tell people about a new gig of recording. But even hating them, I have to admit it has brought some new listeners I wouldn't have reached to without them.

It's ok to be worried about new technology. But saying it's only bringing bad stuff is just ignorant, and something that hasn't happened with any other previous new tech. And glorifying old stuff just because it's what you were born with (like only using books for help on programming) is just... that you're getting old xD
 
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I don't understand why people want AI to create a preset? Isn't that the fun part??

And from the looks of it, it's going to be so easy to tweak on the Stadium - seems odd that you'd want a preset creator. Now if you just had AI recommending what tool to use within Stadium or how to use a particular tool (eg: 'show me to use Showcase'), I'm fine with that.

But leave the preset creating and tone shaping to me! What's next, you want AI to play your guitar for you?
 
I just don’t care until cancer is cured, billionaires don’t exist, and nobody is hungr
A) likely
B) Not gonna happens
C) Neither

The general feeling is - AI can empower people who know what they're doing, but it can also empower people who do not know what they're doing. It writes bad code if you let it.
THIS^100000. In development, a junior and a senior using AI will obviously have very different results.

Developers and other IT people (like me) welcoming AI remind me of the people standing on top of the building in Independence Day, holding up signs for the nice alien friends. 🤣
Lol. There's so much talk about AI causing lots of firing in lots of companies, but we forget that it will also give really small companies the opportunity to create products they would only be able to do with 5 times the staff. Many new small companies will emerge. Developer jobs won't disappear forever, at least not in a long time.

And when they do disappear, they won't be the first jobs in history that disappeared because of new technology.
 
I don't understand why people want AI to create a preset? Isn't that the fun part??

And from the looks of it, it's going to be so easy to tweak on the Stadium - seems odd that you'd want a preset creator. Now if you just had AI recommending what tool to use within Stadium or how to use a particular tool (eg: 'show me to use Showcase'), I'm fine with that.

But leave the preset creating to me! What's next, you want AI to play your guitar for you?
There are a lot of people who don’t do anything now because things are hard. I don’t really think making it easier for them is the best option in a lot of cases.
 
I don't understand why people want AI to create a preset? Isn't that the fun part??

And from the looks of it, it's going to be so easy to tweak on the Stadium - seems odd that you'd want a preset creator. Now if you just had AI recommending what tool to use within Stadium or how to use a particular tool (eg: 'show me to use Showcase'), I'm fine with that.

But leave the preset creating to me! What's next, you want AI to play your guitar for you?
Nobody will ever force you to create a preset with AI😆 I like creating presets, but I might not always want to spend the time the whole process takes.

I seriously don't understand why you're so worried about this🤣

It's funny talking to people who are still worried about AI. It sounds like when people said "a phone should only be used to make calls!".
 
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There, back on topic
 
I don't understand why people want AI to create a preset? Isn't that the fun part??

And from the looks of it, it's going to be so easy to tweak on the Stadium - seems odd that you'd want a preset creator. Now if you just had AI recommending what tool to use within Stadium or how to use a particular tool (eg: 'show me to use Showcase'), I'm fine with that.

But leave the preset creating and tone shaping to me! What's next, you want AI to play your guitar for you?

Look, if the options for learning how to create the best patches are "watch Jason Sadites videos for hours" or "ask ChatGPT," I know what my response is gonna be, every single time.

And, just so I don't lose my old man cred: Why in the hell is everything video these days? Why force me to watch a 20 minute video about Rocket League or the Line 6 Helix instead of giving me an 800-word article with screenshots? And, oh, yeah: Get off my lawn!
 
youtube = 5 minutes of preamble then "ok, lets jump right to it" followed by 5 minutes of postamble before finally, possibly, maybe saying anything informative.
 
It's ok to be worried about new technology. But saying it's only bringing bad stuff is just ignorant, and something that hasn't happened with any other previous new tech. And glorifying old stuff just because it's what you were born with (like only using books for help on programming) is just... that you're getting old

Hey thanks buddy!! I had no idea not to be afraid of everything coming. I’ve only been doing it for 25 years, so I guess it’s better late than never.
 
Any answer on the manual ?

I think there was some confusion with what DI said in that video because there was some additional information between two important clauses.

He said, "Right now we're making sure that all of our dealers have stock, uh, the manuals are up on our site, customer service has everything ready to go ... "

Some people just heard, "the manuals are up on our site" and went straight to the website, not paying attention to what came before: "Right now, we're making sure that .... "
 
I think there was some confusion with what DI said in that video because there was some additional information between two important clauses.

He said, "Right now we're making sure that all of our dealers have stock, uh, the manuals are up on our site, customer service has everything ready to go ... "

Some people just heard, "the manuals are up on our site" and went straight to the website, not paying attention to what came before: "Right now, we're making sure that .... "
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I think there was some confusion with what DI said in that video because there was some additional information between two important clauses.

He said, "Right now we're making sure that all of our dealers have stock, uh, the manuals are up on our site, customer service has everything ready to go ... "

Some people just heard, "the manuals are up on our site" and went straight to the website, not paying attention to what came before: "Right now, we're making sure that .... "

The lost art of reading comprehension....we need AI for that apparently.

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