Line 6 Helix Stadium Pre-Launch Discussion

[bucephalus]

lol, that's some real top descriptive words you got there...
who does that remind me of

DSL time man.

 

[banned]

The thing you quoted literally says some these gigs require a no-cab/DI-only solution, lol.

Many places have a no amp/cab statement because they're used to super loud amps and are trying to bring down stage volumes. They simply don't know any better.

If you can convince them that you can stay within (or much lower than) the output level of an acoustic drumset, a cab will work and is a million times better than any IEM or FRFR. I've played this way for a long time - I send an IR signal to FOH.

Now if it's completely silent stage - then, yes, nothing can be done. Might as well play an audio track at that point. No drummer wants to touch an electronic drumset if they can help it so many of these so called 'silent stages' have acoustic drumsets.

 

[banned]

I find the tone cork sniffing amusing. There are so many variables between when given player hits some set of strings on some guitar and whatever you are listening back on that the idea that you can tell anything other than yep that's a guitar tone seems ridiculous to me for some reason.

Anyhow, all of todays modelers and cloners sound amazing. If you can't get something you like out of them it seems more about user disconnect than anything actually wrong with the piece of hardware and its ability to generate a guitar tone. I'm just looking for something that provides the least friction between the guitar and the amp/cab/pa. Stadium seems a logical step forward in both simplicity and complexity. Choose how deep down the rabbit hole you want to go.

Can you repeat this every 50 posts or so? Thank you for your service.

 

[Goontone]

Very much liking the latest video. Weirded me out that it’s Wednesday but other than that, all good :)

I think that means we're getting news or another big video dropped tomorrow or Friday. I definitely hope its not a release date, that would be terrible.

 

[AZG]

FINALLY:

Sounds good, especially Pete's tones which are more in my wheelhouse. With that said, also nothing unique. Guessing Pete and the others could get just as good of tones out of QC, FM3/FM9, ToneX, and maybe OG Helix. The true test will be getting to play it myself.

 

[Dom Mcsweeney]

DSL time man.

I do really hope he got his DSL in the end, that's for sure

 

[mikah912]

I think that means we're getting news or another big video dropped tomorrow or Friday. I definitely hope its not a release date, that would be terrible.

They dropped the "Clean sound samples" megavideo on a Wednesday, too. The smaller videos arrive on Thursdays.

 

[Sascha Franck]

I would still like to see some intense editing session. Tones are one thing, but as a simpleton I'm fine with them anyway - editing and general usability however, that's quite something else. Ideally, I'd like to just sit down with a Stadium and fool around, possibly wouldn't even need to have a guitar connected.

 

[mikah912]

I would still like to see some intense editing session. Tones are one thing, but as a simpleton I'm fine with them anyway - editing and general usability however, that's quite something else. Ideally, I'd like to just sit down with a Stadium and fool around, possibly wouldn't even need to have a guitar connected.

I think that's an important thing that's been missing from the existing clips as well.

I would love to see them sit down with one low-gain and one high-gain amp and really give them exhaustive playthroughs where we hear the full range of treble, bass, presence and so on across all channels. Switch up the cabs too. Add effects and switch between their focus zones.

As it stands, we're essentially listening to snapshots of tones.

 

[Tito83]

Just use a real cab - 95% of your complaints would go away. With a modeler you have perfect volume control as well as your selection of amps as well as power amp saturation. You can get 1-2 lightweight cabs for variety and that's all you need. DV Mark even has 4x12s that weigh almost nothing - if you don't like the speakers, swap out for some Celestion Neos.

Otherwise, keep complaining.

You not only apparently missed the no cab part like already mentioned, you missed the post I said I've played real amps into a reactive load and IRs for quite a while before going full digital. The problem was never the lack of a guitar cabinet.

Beyond that, I was commenting on something else really. I just stated basically that I'd rather have the perspective of an engineer on a recorded guitar sound rather than a guitar player's, that's all. Something got lost in translation apparently.

 

[Richard_G]

But you're still happy with your UAFX amp pedals, @Tito83? Or do they in your opinion fall short as well?

 

[Tito83]

But you're still happy with your UAFX amp pedals, @Tito83? Or do they in your opinion fall short as well?

Yep, very happy. Still struggle to use them live. Working on it though.

I don't even know how the subject changed like it did. There was a left turn there somewhere I missed or something.

 

[ian_dissonance]

You not only apparently missed the no cab part like already mentioned, you missed the post I said I've played real amps into a reactive load and IRs for quite a while before going full digital. The problem was never the lack of a guitar cabinet.

Beyond that, I was commenting on something else really. I just stated basically that I'd rather have the perspective of an engineer on a recorded guitar sound rather than a guitar player's, that's all. Something got lost in translation apparently.

I definitely get a lot of crossover between mixing education videos and dialing in guitar tones. A lot of what I learn there is the same regardless of the hardware it’s translating back to, though.

 

[banned]

You not only apparently missed the no cab part like already mentioned, you missed the post I said I've played real amps into a reactive load and IRs for quite a while before going full digital. The problem was never the lack of a guitar cabinet.

Beyond that, I was commenting on something else really. I just stated basically that I'd rather have the perspective of an engineer on a recorded guitar sound rather than a guitar player's, that's all. Something got lost in translation apparently.

Your recorded tones are fine ... even great. If you're able to get those sounds live, I can't imagine wanting anything more. You may be overthinking some of this.

 

[BenIfin]

FINALLY:

I'm not in the market for this until the "stomp" version is released but w.t.a.f !!! These tones have a weight and grit and presence and heft I have never heard from a Digital unit ... and this modeling is still not even officially at release Day 1 .... I mean seriously

 

[Richard_G]

I don't know, @Tito83... I sold both my UAFX Dream and Ruby pedals. I preferred my Tone King preamp pedal and various Tonex captures over the Dream, and also preferred various Tonex captures over the Ruby. So far, I've kept my UAFX Enigmatic, though.

I recently picked up an HX Stomp, and to be honest, I'm a bit underwhelmed so far. Probably not a popular opinion on this board ("Do not sell your Stomp," etc.). And I do think it's probably user error—i.e., I haven’t spent enough time dialing things in yet.

 

[sashimi]

I don't know, @Tito83... I sold both my UAFX Dream and Ruby pedals. I preferred my Tone King preamp pedal and various Tonex captures over the Dream, and also preferred various Tonex captures over the Ruby. So far, I've kept my UAFX Enigmatic, though.

I recently picked up an HX Stomp, and to be honest, I'm a bit underwhelmed so far. Probably not a popular opinion on this board ("Do not sell your Stomp," etc.). And I do think it's probably user error—i.e., I haven’t spent enough time dialing things in yet.

Have you played with the Grammatico GSG yet? I’d be interested in hearing your thoughts on how it compares to the Enigmatic.

 

[Sascha Franck]

I would love to see them sit down with one low-gain and one high-gain amp and really give them exhaustive playthroughs where we hear the full range of treble, bass, presence and so on across all channels. Switch up the cabs too. Add effects and switch between their focus zones.

This as well.
But in the first place, I'd like to see them utilize the touchscreen, the XY pad, the ways to navigate, the mixer, etc. All the things you're utilizing all the time.

 

[Richard_G]

Have you played with the Grammatico GSG yet? I’d be interested in hearing your thoughts on how it compares to the Enigmatic.

Not yet, really, but I’ll definitely give it a go. I’ll probably start with the newest amps that were added, though—getting to know the pedal and amp sims through the latest iteration before Stadium.

 

[Frodebro]

Do we get that tee shirt with purchase? I take a small

If you buy a Stadium, everybody here will chip in and buy you a shirt.