Line 6 Helix Stadium Pre-Launch Discussion

[Karl Houseknecht]

I used to do a global high/low cut, but stopped and I didn’t miss it. I think the key is finding the right cab/IR.

For sure. With the cab I currently use with the AC30 model, I use no low cut and only a moderate roll-off above 10K just to tame the extreme highs. I could probably get away without high cuts for that particular set of sounds, but with most other cabs I have some kind of low and high cuts going because it needs it. No rules. Just cut what you need to.

 

[ian_dissonance]

What are you hearing below 80Hz and above 15kHz? Are you running the amps without cabs??

Definitely tangible information in both of the ranges. The usefulness of either is debatable, but if guitarist start doing things because of useful it is musically, there goes half the gear market.

 

[timbuck3]

Right, so the modeler that was a successor to a previous generation platform that launched with all-new content that you're comparing this to is.........?

Can't be Axe-FX II or III. Can't be Helix. Can't be any BOSS modeler. Not even Ampero II.

Who has accomplished this thing you're holding Line 6 to account for?

When hd500 was out and then helix released it was pretty much a whole new engine and tones and effects… remember that? Touted as new modeling as well…

 

[Sascha Franck]

It belongs in global though because what if you have to tweak it for a venue or foreign recording situation?

As has been explained by @Orvillain and @MirrorProfiles already , that "trick" isn't a globally valid trick for a whole number of reasons. Global EQing is there for the very reason you've mentioned yourself: To accomodate a certain situation. Not to "fix" whatever patch issues you might be running into.

 

[Sascha Franck]

What are you hearing below 80Hz and above 15kHz? Are you running the amps without cabs??

An open E6 string has a frequency of 82.41Hz. The low cut on your global EQ has a slope of 12dB/oct (IIRC), which isn't very steep. So cutting at 80Hz will already affect your low E string in a noticeable way.

 

[bucephalus]

When hd500 was out and then helix released it was pretty much a whole new engine and tones and effects… remember that? Touted as new modeling as well…

So I'm gonna go ahead and wager that you will not follow through on actually buying this.

 

[HotRats]

An open E6 string has a frequency of 82.41Hz. The low cut on your global EQ has a slope of 12dB/oct (IIRC), which isn't very steep. So cutting at 80Hz will already affect your low E string in a noticeable way.

yeah, and an high pass filter roll off 3dB at the cutoff frequency, meaning that with an 80Hz cut you're lowering your E string fundamental by 3dBs.

 

[Sascha Franck]

An open E6 string has a frequency of 82.41Hz. The low cut on your global EQ has a slope of 12dB/oct (IIRC), which isn't very steep. So cutting at 80Hz will already affect your low E string in a noticeable way.

Btw, I was wrong on that one, sorry. Setting the low cut at 80Hz will hopefully not affect the low E string. Because it'll only cut anything below (the 12dB/oct slope obviously only affects 80Hz and below).

 

[HotRats]

Btw, I was wrong on that one, sorry. Setting the low cut at 80Hz will hopefully not affect the low E string. Because it'll only cut anything below (the 12dB/oct slope obviously only affects 80Hz and below).

It will affect the E string (I'm not saying that is a bad thing per se)

 

[Sascha Franck]

It will affect the E string (I'm not saying that is a bad thing per se)

But shouldn't a low cut actually only start cutting at the set frequency?

 

[yek]

But shouldn't a low cut actually only start cutting at the set frequency?

Depends on the Q (bandwidth) and slope.

 

[HotRats]

But shouldn't a low cut actually only start cutting at the set frequency?

There's a mathematical/practical reason for the -3dB but is not really important to discuss that.

Basically -3dB at cutoff (when q=1) has become a standard for pass band filters. They are all made like that and is always -3dB for any dB/oct settings.
Brickwall filters behave differently.

 

[Orvillain]

There's a mathematical/practical reason for the -3dB but is not really important to discuss that.

Basically -3dB at cutoff (when q=1) has become a standard for pass band filters. They are all made like that and is always -3dB for any dB/oct settings.
Brickwall filters behave differently.

I believe Q=0.707 is the standard bandwidth value when measuring the -3dB point. But it depends on the filter type.

 

[mikah912]

When hd500 was out and then helix released it was pretty much a whole new engine and tones and effects… remember that?

Remember that they got roasted for modeling the exact same real life amps that were modeled for the HD500?

Remember that no one else in the industry has completely broken away from the content in their previous modeler.

You're just nitpicking, man.

 

[HotRats]

I believe Q=0.707 is the standard bandwidth value when measuring the -3dB point. But it depends on the filter type.

If I recall correct (has been a long time since I've studied this stuff) q=1 equals to 0.707 voltage (at drop off frequency) So I believe is the same thing.

 

[GTR37]

As has been explained by @Orvillain and @MirrorProfiles already , that "trick" isn't a globally valid trick for a whole number of reasons. Global EQing is there for the very reason you've mentioned yourself: To accomodate a certain situation. Not to "fix" whatever patch issues you might be running into.

It a personal ,thing if someone has high output picks low tuned guitars heavy strings and has noticed a lot end flub
They may prefer to have a low cut in a global setting
It a worse strategy to try an fix it in the mix or try to set your sound when you get to the studio
Why use a backup camera if you can stick your head out the window ?
Because it makes it easier
And the less the front of house guy or studio engineer has to do to make you fit in a mix the happier he and you both are apt to be

 

[GTR37]

So I'm gonna go ahead and wager that you will not follow through on actually buying this.

Remember that they got roasted for modeling the exact same real life amps that were modeled for the HD500?

Remember that no one else in the industry has completely broken away from the content in their previous modeler.

You're just nitpicking, man.

He is just nervous
He has sat on the throne a long time so it might be a bit painful that’s natural
He also is probably considering additional expense of having to get a high end plunger from Home depot

 

[Orvillain]

It a personal ,thing if someone has high output picks low tuned guitars heavy strings and has noticed a lot end flub
They may prefer to have a low cut in a global setting
It a worse strategy to try an fix it in the mix or try to set your sound when you get to the studio
Why use a backup camera if you can stick your head out the window ?
Because it makes it easier
And the less the front of house guy or studio engineer has to do to make you fit in a mix the happier he and you both are apt to be

 

[KingsXJJ]

Magnets, I think.

 

[Sascha Franck]

There's a mathematical/practical reason for the -3dB but is not really important to discuss that.

Basically -3dB at cutoff (when q=1) has become a standard for pass band filters. They are all made like that and is always -3dB for any dB/oct settings.
Brickwall filters behave differently.

Thanks, didn't know that. In that case, a LC at 80Hz will in fact pretty noticeably impact the open low E string (and things around it).

Depends on the Q (bandwidth) and slope.

Sure - but I was thinking that the set frequency would always define the min/max (depending on whether it's a high/low cut).
Well, I actually knew that it wasn't always the case but still thought of it to be "normal".