Line 6 Helix Stadium Pre-Launch Discussion

That touch screen demo is the first Stadium video I've watched. It looks incredibly good! Graphics don't look cheap like on competing devices. But are they seriously using the same super slippery knobs? I hope they at least improve the acceleration so I don't have to rotate the encoder 12 million times to go from min to max value

They already have some of the best fx in all-in-one devices. I DGAF about amp modeling anymore however, so I'll wait to see what else they have coming.
 
Aleksi said:
I hope they at least improve the acceleration so I don't have to rotate the encoder 12 million times to go from min to max value
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You don't have to. They behave pretty much like analog knobs ever since an update (don't remember which one it was). And I think it's been overdone because now finer adjustments are pretty fiddly. I think there should be some middle ground. Or an acceleration feature. Possibly switchable in the global preferences.
 
Aleksi said:
That touch screen demo is the first Stadium video I've watched. It looks incredibly good! Graphics don't look cheap like on competing devices. But are they seriously using the same super slippery knobs? I hope they at least improve the acceleration so I don't have to rotate the encoder 12 million times to go from min to max value
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Knob ballistics have been drastically improved.
 
Aleksi said:
That touch screen demo is the first Stadium video I've watched. It looks incredibly good! Graphics don't look cheap like on competing devices.
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I had the same thought when I watched the video earlier today. The images and icons look like they were done by someone who actually gives a shit. I loved that the MXR-117 looked just like the original.

Little details add up and the more I see, the more excited I’m getting for the XL to get here.
 
EOengineer said:
I had the same thought when I watched the video earlier today. The images and icons look like they were done by someone who actually gives a shit. I loved that the MXR-117 looked just like the original.

Little details add up and the more I see, the more excited I’m getting for the XL to get here.
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I especially liked the way mic'ing a cab looked on the touch screen. Much less abstract than the QC interface.
 
Digital Igloo said:
Knob ballistics have been drastically improved.
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Is this something that could trickle down to the current HX devices? I recently got an HX One and while I love the sound, it can be very annoying with parameters with a large range, especially combined with a slippery knob.

Beavis And Butthead Lol GIF by Paramount+
 
Sascha Franck said:
You don't have to. They behave pretty much like analog knobs ever since an update (don't remember which one it was). And I think it's been overdone because now finer adjustments are pretty fiddly. I think there should be some middle ground. Or an acceleration feature. Possibly switchable in the global preferences.
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Depends on the parameter I guess? Some feel fine, others are too sensitive and others take several turns of the encoder. EDIT: I just tried the knob and ball-istics with the HX One: you seem to get a change of 100 over an imagined analog knob range-of-motion (could be different for different parameters). So for example a change from 500 to 600 ms for delay time. But if you make a super-quick knob movement, it makes a huge value jump, which I can't control reliably. And for small adjustments it's way too sensitive.

It's not Boss SY-300 levels of throw that shit out the window after 12 hours of turning a knob, but it's annoying
 
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Aleksi said:
others are too sensitive and others take several turns of the encoder.
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The only parameter I could think off where that would be true would be delay time. Which might be sort of in the nature of the beast. And that's precisely where touchscreen faders will help a lot.
 
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Sascha Franck said:
The only parameter I could think off where that would be true would be delay time. Which might be sort of in the nature of the beast. And that's precisely where touchscreen faders will help a lot.
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You can have more intuitive acceleration with quick movements, I've experienced that with other brands. You can also have slow movements be more precise. I'm sitting here trying to reliably go from delay time 0 to 1,000 seconds. It's way too fiddly. Sometimes fast movements massively overshoot the value and then you have to be super careful with finer adjustments. It's like walking on a super slippery surface.

It needs to have a sort of feeling of weightiness and friction to the adjustments that's predictable.

Am I slowly getting into a UI/UX argument with Sascha? MODS PLEASE DELETE MY ACCOUNT
 
Aleksi said:
You can have more intuitive acceleration with quick movements, I've experienced that with other brands.
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I know. Zoom does it sort of well (even if sometimes the acceleration is kinda unpredictable).

But seriously, in this case I really think that the touchscreen faders will adress the issue quite nicely. Just swipe for larger adjustments and go back to the encoder for finetuning.

Fwiw, I'm all for improved knob ballistics. And I'm possibly one of the few persons who prefered the ballistics pre-FW-update in the HX series. I often find myself dialing things too far on somewhat more delicate parameters. Something inbetween with the addition of the touchscreen faders would likely be perfect for me.

Aleksi said:
Am I slowly getting into a UI/UX argument with Sascha? MODS PLEASE DELETE MY ACCOUNT
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Such is life.

I actually don't think we disagree all that much.
 
Aleksi said:
You can have more intuitive acceleration with quick movements, I've experienced that with other brands. You can also have slow movements be more precise. I'm sitting here trying to reliably go from delay time 0 to 1,000 seconds. It's way too fiddly. Sometimes fast movements massively overshoot the value and then you have to be super careful with finer adjustments. It's like walking on a super slippery surface.
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It's definitely something that requires a lot of trial and error to get right, and different parameter ranges can require different acceleration. Delay/reverb times that go from a few ms to several seconds are the worst cases for sure.

I never got to try the Helix after they updated the acceleration behavior but I did not like the original. So it's good to hear they've improved it further for the Stadium.
 
Something I would like Stadium included in the box: a screen protector. I tried getting a couple from Amazon for my Helix LT and they never fitted, and now that it's a touchscreen, I think it would feel kinda "premium" that Line6 provides the protector themselves.
 
laxu said:
It's definitely something that requires a lot of trial and error to get right, and different parameter ranges can require different acceleration. Delay/reverb times that go from a few ms to several seconds are the worst cases for sure.

I never got to try the Helix after they updated the acceleration behavior but I did not like the original. So it's good to hear they've improved it further for the Stadium.
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It's "alright" on the Floor. They did improve it, however it's gotten a tad more difficult/finicky to make tiny adjustments after that.
 
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