Line 6 Helix Stadium Pre-Launch Discussion

[Sascha Franck]

They should make TWO hype knobs for twice they hype and then there would be no complaints about it being a single knob!

And an additional anti-hype knob. Bringing out more warts and stuff.

 

[Digital Igloo]

QC let’s you tag faves within given effect groups so that they appear at the top of those specific effect type folders...

We talked about this 7, 8 years ago but it'd totally break our mono/stereo/legacy subcategories. In retrospect, maybe we should've made all distortions mono, all delays stereo, etc. At the time it was about squeezing the very most out of one's DSP and embracing the whole shoegaze distortion-after-reverb thing, but in stereo. Live and learn.

 

[Sleezy E]

My 10 year old niece has never tried guacamole but she tells me it's gross.

She doesn't like the hype knob either.

 

[James Freeman]

How are you going to hype a twin reverb? squeaky clean knopfler, crunchy srv or gainy george thorogood?
Jcm800 = tight high gain slayer?
Plexi = light crunch ac/dc or super gainy van halen?
Rectifier = mid forward limpbizkit or uberscooped godsmack?

Who's deciding what the hype knob will do and who knows for certain what other people believe an amp they never played sounds like?
How redundant the hype knob will be after people try it and decide it's not what they thought the amp should sound like? Isn't knob-real-estate valuable?
What is the probability that more than half of people will find more than half of the hype knobs in more than half the amp models useful?

 

[paisleywookiee]

How are you going to hype a twin reverb? squeaky clean knopfler, crunchy srv or gainy george thorogood?
Jcm800 = tight high gain slayer?
Plexi = light crunch ac/dc or super gainy van halen?
Rectifier = mid forward limpbizkit or uberscooped godsmack?

Who's deciding what the hype knob will do and who knows for certain what other people believe an amp they never played sounds like?
How redundant the hype knob will be after people try it and decide it's not what they thought the amp should sound like? Isn't knob-real-estate valuable?
What is the probability that more than half of people will find more than half of the hype knobs in more than half the amp models useful?

I completely agree. All valid questions, but I’m also pretty certain they’ve thought of the same questions. So we’ll see if it’s clever, or a complete utter fumble.

 

[MirrorProfiles]

My 10 year old niece has never tried guacamole but she tells me it's gross.

She doesn't like the hype knob either.

The analogy would be:

Say your daughter has grown up on amazing fresh guacamole that she loves the taste of and having tried all kinds of guacamole she has a solid idea of what makes a good authentic guacamole.

Then her favourite restaurant offers a guacamole with some optional added chemicals that they think makes it even more like what people think guacamole tastes like. If she already loves it as is, why would changing it from the original be appealing?

The ketchup analogy works GREAT because all the people who were relentlessly saying “yeah but you can just ignore, no one is forcing you to use it, you haven’t even tried it yet” won’t accept that here. If you like authentic and can’t see a reason to deviate from that, then it obviously seems pointless to deviate from that. and if you aren’t attached to something authentic and are open to new experimental things, then there are options available that you may end up enjoying more (that won’t make it authentic anymore)

 

[MirrorProfiles]

How are you going to hype a twin reverb? squeaky clean knopfler, crunchy srv or gainy george thorogood?
Jcm800 = tight high gain slayer?
Plexi = light crunch ac/dc or super gainy van halen?
Rectifier = mid forward limpbizkit or uberscooped godsmack?

Who's deciding what the hype knob will do and who knows for certain what other people believe an amp they never played sounds like?
How redundant the hype knob will be after people try it and decide it's not what they thought the amp should sound like? Isn't knob-real-estate valuable?
What is the probability that more than half of people will find more than half of the hype knobs in more than half the amp models useful?

This is exactly it

 

[paisleywookiee]

The analogy would be:

Say your daughter has grown up on amazing fresh guacamole that she loves the taste of and having tried all kinds of guacamole she has a solid idea of what makes a good authentic guacamole.

Then her favourite restaurant offers a guacamole with some optional added chemicals that they think makes it even more like what people think guacamole tastes like. If she already loves it as is, why would changing it from the original be appealing?

The ketchup analogy works GREAT because all the people who were relentlessly saying “yeah but you can just ignore, no one is forcing you to use it, you haven’t even tried it yet” won’t accept that here. If you like authentic and can’t see a reason to deviate from that, then it obviously seems pointless to deviate from that. and if you aren’t attached to something authentic and are open to new experimental things, then there are options available that you may end up enjoying more (that won’t make it authentic anymore)

Or, it could be more of a gray area, where it’s steak that should be so fucking great that you don’t need steak sauce, but some people will still use it anyway. Ketchup is heresy, steak sauce? Hmmm…..I wouldn’t use it, but some might.

 

[Sascha Franck]

Who's deciding what the hype knob will do and who knows for certain what other people believe an amp they never played sounds like?

The fine sound designers at L6.

How redundant the hype knob will be after people try it and decide it's not what they thought the amp should sound like? Isn't knob-real-estate valuable?

Hype is the last Amp parameter.

So it'll likely not eat up any knob-real-estate unless you scroll to the very last amp parameter page.

Also:

Hype is set to "Off" on all amp defaults (and I believe Focus zones).

So, if you don't like the decisions of L6's sound design team, it'll never get in your way.

What is the probability that more than half of people will find more than half of the hype knobs in more than half the amp models useful?

53.591%

 

[Sascha Franck]

If she already loves it as is, why would changing it from the original be appealing?

Because sometimes tasting something different is a good thing.

The ketchup analogy works GREAT because all the people who were relentlessly saying “yeah but you can just ignore, no one is forcing you to use it, you haven’t even tried it yet” won’t accept that here.

It works not at all because anyone who has tasted both sushi and ketchup will have a good idea of how they match (or mismatch). But you don't have the slightest idea about how the hype knob tastes.
If at all, an analogy would be that some sushi bar might offer you some "secret unknown sauce". Which could make you curious, especially in case it's an otherwise excellent sushi bar. Or you'd just refuse to take a chance because you like your sushi just the way it has always been.

and if you aren’t attached to something authentic and are open to new experimental things, then there are options available that you may end up enjoying more

But a single hype knob is pretty much the easiest way to get there. Plus, you can ignore it. Plus, you can still decide to take all the other steps.

 

[paisleywookiee]

Holy shit, I agree with Sascha.

 

[Sleezy E]

The analogy would be:

Say your daughter has grown up on amazing fresh guacamole that she loves the taste of and having tried all kinds of guacamole she has a solid idea of what makes a good authentic guacamole.

Then her favourite restaurant offers a guacamole with some optional added chemicals that they think makes it even more like what people think guacamole tastes like. If she already loves it as is, why would changing it from the original be appealing?

The ketchup analogy works GREAT because all the people who were relentlessly saying “yeah but you can just ignore, no one is forcing you to use it, you haven’t even tried it yet” won’t accept that here. If you like authentic and can’t see a reason to deviate from that, then it obviously seems pointless to deviate from that. and if you aren’t attached to something authentic and are open to new experimental things, then there are options available that you may end up enjoying more (that won’t make it authentic anymore)

List your previous experience with the hype knob please.

The analogy would be:

Say your daughter has grown up on amazing fresh guacamole that she loves the taste of and having tried all kinds of guacamole she has a solid idea of what makes a good authentic guacamole.

Then her favourite restaurant offers a guacamole with some optional added chemicals that they think makes it even more like what people think guacamole tastes like. If she already loves it as is, why would changing it from the original be appealing?

The ketchup analogy works GREAT because all the people who were relentlessly saying “yeah but you can just ignore, no one is forcing you to use it, you haven’t even tried it yet” won’t accept that here. If you like authentic and can’t see a reason to deviate from that, then it obviously seems pointless to deviate from that. and if you aren’t attached to something authentic and are open to new experimental things, then there are options available that you may end up enjoying more (that won’t make it authentic anymore)

Your analogy insinuates that you have personally used the hype knob.

You have not.

Fail.

 

[MirrorProfiles]

List your previous experience with the hype knob please.

Your analogy insinuates that you have personally used the hype knob.

You have not.

Fail.

We know it is designed to deviate from the authentic model. DI has told us what it’s intended to do. It’s the same thing as saying “yeah but you haven’t tried Line 6’s ketchup yet, so how do you know it’s bad until you’ve tasted it for yourself?”.

As DI has already said, it’s simply not designed for someone like me. It’s adding and changing something away from what I am reaching it for in the first place. I haven’t heard the Agoura amps either, but I still know what the intention is with them.

Take Helix and stadium out of it completely and suppose there are 3 modellers from different companies.

Company A has hyped amp models, Company B has authentic models, Company C has the option for both.

Company A would not appeal to me over B and C, and Company C isn’t offering anything that appeals over Company B to me. It’s not an advantage for what I’m looking for.

That is the point I’m making - the feature is simply something I would ignore. Same as how I avoided the Pure Cabinet controls on a Kemper, and even if they developed it more I simply wouldn’t care. I’m really amazed that the concept of not every feature appealing to every user is so contentious.

 

[paisleywookiee]

Look, none of you are the biggest dickheads on this forum. So let’s relax, and just see how it shakes out.

 

[Sascha Franck]

It’s the same thing as saying “yeah but you haven’t tried Line 6’s ketchup yet, so how do you know it’s bad until you’ve tasted it for yourself?”.

Still not the same thing. Ketchup, while coming in different flavours, has a pretty well defined basic recipe.

 

[Sascha Franck]

That is the point I’m making - the feature is simply something I would ignore.

Point taken. So why don't you start ignoring it already right now?

 

[MirrorProfiles]

Point taken. So why don't you start ignoring it already right now?

Despite saying days ago that I’d just draw a line under it, there’s still people chiming in tagging old posts saying stuff like “yeah but you haven’t heard it yet? why don’t you just ignore it?”.

I’ll ignore replies as much as I can but eventually it’s just easier to reply than see the same discussion piling on without me.

 

[paisleywookiee]

Well, at least we’re not using car analogies.

 

[TheTrueZoltan!]

Well, at least we’re not using car analogies.

 

[Sleezy E]

Well, at least we’re not using car analogies.

If a car traveling from LA to Houston is moving at 69mph and crashes into timbuck3's backyard landing in his hottub, how many fucks do you give about a feature you've never used on a modeler that has not been released?