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BenIfin
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^Yep :)
I have less than zero evidence for this, but it seems like that when the V2 KPA Hardware was announced and shipped, Profiling V2 was still in its "White-board / Embryonic brain-storming stage" and KPA *had* to announce it [ or something ] to justify the release and need for V2 hardware.
KPA's handling of this whole "Profiling 2" feature has been an unmitigated cluster-f*ck ... with zero signs of ending any time "soon"
To me, this new software version taking 6 months already with no release is exactly the pattern of multiple previous Kemper developments - the delays, the reverbs, liquid profiles, the trems etc etc. Many of those took 9 months or more from when they were first shown at an audio show like NAMM or the Messe to being downloadable as a free OS revision. Sometimes, the beta release phase went on for some months beyond the first release.
I imagine that, to CK, this is all business as usual and all the chatter online is of no consequence - the dogs may bark but the caravan moves on as Paul Keating (Australian politician) used to say.
I imagine that, to CK, this is all business as usual and all the chatter online is of no consequence - the dogs may bark but the caravan moves on as Paul Keating (Australian politician) used to say.
laxu
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Yeah I fully expect it might've been e.g T-word related to get product into the US. Without enticing users with V2 profiling, there's very little to make MK1 users jump for MK2.
Even when it releases, I just don't see how it has much to offer vs Tonex V2 or QC Capture V2. If the Nano Cortex gets that update, then I don't see a ton of appeal to Kemper Player either.
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First time Kemper owner here... my KPP is in the mail, so technically owner in waiting.
I recently bought a Quad Cortex. I haven't decided which platform I'm going to adopt. I'm taking advantage of retailers return policy to "test drive" these units. Kemper's Liquid profiles, the definition, sag, pick, & all the extra settings inside the capture & the whole ecosystem intrigues me.
I recently bought a Quad Cortex. I haven't decided which platform I'm going to adopt. I'm taking advantage of retailers return policy to "test drive" these units. Kemper's Liquid profiles, the definition, sag, pick, & all the extra settings inside the capture & the whole ecosystem intrigues me.
Cactusprick
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Industry Standards of bad example™
DiBiQuadroAudio
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Accuracy takes time - we've never managed to release more than 2-3 products per year. The list of what we'd like to release is just as long as what we've already released.
Is your statement here that ‘tubes cannot be modelled ever’ or that ‘tubes haven’t been modelled yet but I can see that one day they’ll get them 100%?’.
Although Line 6 and Fractal are adding capture tech to their platforms, I think their motives are possibly more along the lines of ‘the market demands it’ more than ‘they think it’s the way of the future’. I think they would both argue that they’ve already modelled tubes to a good enough extent and I can see why they’d want to stick to their stories on that….. because the capture tech is out there in the wild already at a crazy low price point, I can see why Line 6 and Fractal are still keen to embrace modelling and the advantages it has. If they didn’t, they’d be putting much of the last 20 years in the bin.
If we’re honest, every method has some element of compromise but they are generally small compromises compared to the payback you get. I’ve actually been happier with the workflow on Stadium than I was scrolling through pages of other people’s captures. Although I’m excited to try the capture tech when they release it, I’m less excited by the concept than I was as the modelling they have is enough to fool me / make me happy.
BenIfin
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Hey RevBillyG.
Respectfully I would advise / recommend you return the KPP once you get it - testing it against the QC V2 with the "old" / "current" / "legacy" KPA Profiling will be very far from a fair dual.
I don't think the V2 Profiling will be out before your return period expires and the "most accurate" and up-to-date comparison will be QC V2 -vs- KPP V2 Profiles - of which KPA will release a few official packs for free to download as they did with the Liquid Profiling release.
Just my 2c / trying to help / feel free to ignore.
No offence or disrespect intended :)
Ed DeGenaro
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Thing with Industry standard is you only need to be the starter without real competition for long enough.
See ProTools for another example of that.
Yes! My intention wasn´t to critize your company, your amps are ashtonising, you´re doing an incredible job, I´m expecting your new amp. I love to use your amps as preamps and try with differents power amps, there are few amps preamps in profiling world. Sorry if you misunderstood me.
DiBiQuadroAudio
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No worries at all, thanks for the kind words - much appreciated.
Research and development takes time. I´m not surprised at all by the delay in the V2 launch. For me, it´s absolutely normal.
Kemper should make up the website "summer" note, though... they´re devaluating their name big time. It adds to the Player "levels" epic fail and the fact that the V2 hardware is basically equally capable as V1 one.
Kemper should make up the website "summer" note, though... they´re devaluating their name big time. It adds to the Player "levels" epic fail and the fact that the V2 hardware is basically equally capable as V1 one.
I see no engineering reason that MK1 can't do anything that MK2 does from a DSP standpoint. They didn't change that processor.
It makes it even worse than you are describing. They released the exact same hardware (with a faster boot and gui processor), and ARTIFICIALLY limited new features to the new hardware to force current users to upgrade for those features.
I still think Kemper is a top rate gig rig. As an all in one unit it is still a great tool.
I have also wondered why capture is a big deal as well. Good tone is good tone no matter how you get there IMO.
Still, stadium as a platform is awful appealing to an awful lot of guitar players.
Will it even matter if stadium's capture isn't NDSP good? I don't think so. It's the ease of attainable good tone and the huge feature set IMO.
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Sure, but they were the first out with this kind of product. You would imagine them to try and develop stuff sooner, maybe?
Perhaps part of the difficulty is they've felt with technology that was already at its limits -- or tech was difficult to push further. So it took a long time to be able to figure this out.
But that aside: it's not far off where guys are Kemper would deny inaccuracies are a thing. They'd dismiss the usual ones as internet mythology. And I've definitely seen posts where CK adopts a similar attitude.
Now, he himself says the bass end response of MKII profiling is "much more accurate".
I would imagine if Kemper -- the company -- relied so much on more accurate profiling for MKII, and not other features, that we'd have seen a better approach.
It would make more sense for me to see something like this IF they had developed several features for MKII.
I don't think they care -- or it's so much of a mess to work there, they simply can't do better with such "details". I wouldn't know.
[sarcasm].... but how is that possible if profiling was perfect to begin with? [/sarcasm]
I just wish that they would quit being such Ostridges and stay competitive. I know they are a small company with limited resources, but over 15 years? Really?
It feels like some moron at Kemper decided that they could coast another 5 or more years on the existing product if they just bobbed and weaved a bit and made an MK2.
I think the player was a great idea though. They needed a sub 1K pedal. It doesn't excuse the lack of a next gen architecture though.
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For sure. And it sells well. If I didn't have tonex one, I would consider the player, assuming profiling 2.0 was up to par.
But also my needs are fairly simple most of the time. The tonex one, even with its limitations, is used often... for a while now more than my fractal.
But if I was after a more all in one unit ATM, the player would be highly attractive. Even more so if they didn't have the weird tier upgrade thing.
Why?
Most of the amp models are the same. Showcase only just came out, Proxy still hasn't come out. Line 6 announced it back in January. I don't understand why so many people are so excited to pay a premium for something that isn't complete yet & offers, imo, marginal improvement over the unit they already have?
Is it the touch screen? I don't understand why that's such a big draw on a floor unit.
The Agoura models are very good and it has some nice workflow features. Like many modelers these days, it’s complete, but is designed to grow to add even more features.
