Kemper Profiler MK 2

[[Nathan]]

They could have done this so much better. They saw some of the mistakes ndsp made and thought hey let’s run with that!

 

[BenIfin]

They could have done this so much better. They saw some of the mistakes ndsp made and thought hey let’s run with that!

^Yep :)

I have less than zero evidence for this, but it seems like that when the V2 KPA Hardware was announced and shipped, Profiling V2 was still in its "White-board / Embryonic brain-storming stage" and KPA *had* to announce it [ or something ] to justify the release and need for V2 hardware.

KPA's handling of this whole "Profiling 2" feature has been an unmitigated cluster-f*ck ... with zero signs of ending any time "soon"

 

[Antipodes]

To me, this new software version taking 6 months already with no release is exactly the pattern of multiple previous Kemper developments - the delays, the reverbs, liquid profiles, the trems etc etc. Many of those took 9 months or more from when they were first shown at an audio show like NAMM or the Messe to being downloadable as a free OS revision. Sometimes, the beta release phase went on for some months beyond the first release.

I imagine that, to CK, this is all business as usual and all the chatter online is of no consequence - the dogs may bark but the caravan moves on as Paul Keating (Australian politician) used to say.

 

[laxu]

I have less than zero evidence for this, but it seems like that when the V2 KPA Hardware was announced and shipped, Profiling V2 was still in its "White-board / Embryonic brain-storming stage" and KPA *had* to announce it [ or something ] to justify the release and need for V2 hardware.

Yeah I fully expect it might've been e.g T-word related to get product into the US. Without enticing uses with V2 profiling, there's very little to make MK1 users jump for MK2.

Even when it releases, I just don't see how it has much to offer vs Tonex V2 or QC Capture V2. If the Nano Cortex gets that update, then I don't see a ton of appeal to Kemper Player either.

 

[RevBillyG]

First time Kemper owner here... my KPP is in the mail, so technically owner in waiting.

I recently bought a Quad Cortex. I haven't decided which platform I'm going to adopt. I'm taking advantage of retailers return policy to "test drive" these units. Kemper's Liquid profiles, the definition, sag, pick, & all the extra settings inside the capture & the whole ecosystem intrigues me.

 

[Cactusprick]

They could have done this so much better. They saw some of the mistakes ndsp made and thought hey let’s run with that!

Industry Standards of bad example™

 

[DiBiQuadroAudio]

Despite all the other brands have make a huge step in the last few months, the only brands that let move all the knobs of an amp in a realistic way (dynamic profiles) are:
-kemper with liquid profiling
-dibiquadro (perfect recreation of each know but few amps)
-uad paradise (same as dibiquadro but not good in high gain)
-maybe helix stadium (in the videos it seem realistic but I don't know if it has really realistic knobs).

So for me Kemper is still the king just for the liquid profiling, I don't know why there people that doesn't see it like something revolutionary.
Waiting for liquid profiling 2.0.

Accuracy takes time - we've never managed to release more than 2-3 products per year. The list of what we'd like to release is just as long as what we've already released.

 

[Gary_W]

Personally I've accepted modeling solid state technology along time ago. Modeling tubes is a different thing all together.

As you say liquid profiles marries digital modeling to capture technology & I think that's the way of the future. That's why Fractal & Line 6 are adding capture tech to their platforms.

Is your statement here that ‘tubes cannot be modelled ever’ or that ‘tubes haven’t been modelled yet but I can see that one day they’ll get them 100%?’.

Although Line 6 and Fractal are adding capture tech to their platforms, I think their motives are possibly more along the lines of ‘the market demands it’ more than ‘they think it’s the way of the future’. I think they would both argue that they’ve already modelled tubes to a good enough extent and I can see why they’d want to stick to their stories on that….. because the capture tech is out there in the wild already at a crazy low price point, I can see why Line 6 and Fractal are still keen to embrace modelling and the advantages it has. If they didn’t, they’d be putting much of the last 20 years in the bin.

If we’re honest, every method has some element of compromise but they are generally small compromises compared to the payback you get. I’ve actually been happier with the workflow on Stadium than I was scrolling through pages of other people’s captures. Although I’m excited to try the capture tech when they release it, I’m less excited by the concept than I was as the modelling they have is enough to fool me / make me happy.

 

[BenIfin]

First time Kemper owner here... my KPP is in the mail, so technically owner in waiting.

I recently bought a Quad Cortex. I haven't decided which platform I'm going to adopt. I'm taking advantage of retailers return policy to "test drive" these units. Kemper's Liquid profiles, the definition, sag, pick, & all the extra settings inside the capture & the whole ecosystem intrigues me.

Hey RevBillyG.

Respectfully I would advise / recommend you return the KPP once you get it - testing it against the QC V2 with the "old" / "current" / "legacy" KPA Profiling will be very far from a fair dual.

I don't think the V2 Profiling will be out before your return period expires and the "most accurate" and up-to-date comparison will be QC V2 -vs- KPP V2 Profiles - of which KPA will release a few official packs for free to download as they did with the Liquid Profiling release.

Just my 2c / trying to help / feel free to ignore.

No offence or disrespect intended :)