Kemper Profiler MK 2

[Dimiguitar]

Now to your point, you are saying that Kemper is off enough that it sounds or feels bad to you. I agree that this is a major issue; however, it hasn't been my experience .... which isn't to say it isn't true, only that I haven't experienced it.

Again, I don't think it matters to >99% of users out there. It only matters that it sounds great and that it gets the job done well.

I think there's often the danger with this stuff where people try and project their own taste and perception onto others, seeking to invalidate experiences unfairly.

I've seen it go both ways: that people will be very cynical towards others who are happy with their modeller/capturer tones, or then wholesale rejections about someone's experience being less favourable (mocking them for golden ears, etc).

So I am glad you don't simply dismiss what I am saying, at least as a metaphysically subjective experience, but also hold true to your view/experience with Kemper tones.

At any rate, I am curious to see MKII profiling (said this too many times I guess) and what it achieves.

 

[Mongillo19]

IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW

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[JiveTurkey]

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Just for you

I think the new black look is pretty killer actually!

 

[JiveTurkey]

WELCOME TO MY WORLD

 

[Chocol8]

April fools joke?

 

[Orvillain]

I just wanna remind you all, I took 4 days off the forum, and the vibe didn't change.

 

[Sascha Franck]

So, ok, accuracy is important when you come up with a thing doing captures. Sure, I perfectly understand that. Science and all that.
But, just hypothetically: What if you profile a precious amp that you just love to bits and the profile is inaccurate but you actually happen to prefer the profile because it suits your taste even better than the OG amp?
Would you still be asking for better accuracy?

 

[2dor]

So, ok, accuracy is important when you come up with a thing doing captures. Sure, I perfectly understand that. Science and all that.
But, just hypothetically: What if you profile a precious amp that you just love to bits and the profile is inaccurate but you actually happen to prefer the profile because it suits your taste even better than the OG amp?
Would you still be asking for better accuracy?

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder - as long as it makes you play more / inspires you, I think there's no issue with that whatsoever. That said, using the same hypothesis, a unit that misfires profiling your favorite amps is surely going to end up with you questioning why the hell you're even bothering with profiling in the first place. I see it as a reliability issue more than anything else really.

 

[ian_dissonance]

So, ok, accuracy is important when you come up with a thing doing captures. Sure, I perfectly understand that. Science and all that.
But, just hypothetically: What if you profile a precious amp that you just love to bits and the profile is inaccurate but you actually happen to prefer the profile because it suits your taste even better than the OG amp?
Would you still be asking for better accuracy?

Yes.

I just wanna remind you all, I took 4 days off the forum, and the vibe didn't change.

Kemper could try giving us something positive to talk about instead.

 

[OneEng]

Are we using null tests with Fractal as well? If not how are we able to compare the quality and accuracy of that modeling?

I get wanting to be objective, but the whole null test thing can be really silly when you're talking about the device holistically.

I agree. Example, how does switch time and spill over get handled in a Null test?

That's not really possible, since we don't have access to the amps being modeled.

.... and yet Fractal and Line 6 sells lots of units every year.

THE WHOLE POINT OF A CAPTURE OR PROFILE DEVICE IS 1:1 ACCURACY AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE REGARDLESS OF THE USER’S ENJOYMENT OF INACCURATE CAPTURES OR PROFILES.

I disagree. Most people who buy a Kemper (the thread topic) don't profile at all. If they don't profile at all, then accuracy wasn't part of their purchasing decision. So for the majority of people who buy Kemper, "the whole point" is not accuracy since they never profile with it at all.

Now, perhaps for you, the whole point is capture accuracy. I would argue that IF that is the whole point, then you should be using NAM and ONLY NAM. Nothing else makes ANY sense at all. So ..... do you use NAM exclusively? It does have the best Null test by far. What would be the POINT of using anything else?

My own experience is that I DID profile my amps before I sold them, and the profiles were accurate and sounded good to me; however, I have since found other profiles (either free or purchased) that I like the sound of better than my own profiles and I don't use my own profiles anymore. As a result, accuracy isn't important to me either since I no longer profile.

For those who are saying that they do not like the way Kemper sounds, I get that argument even though I have not experienced it myself. If I didn't like the sound I was getting from my Kemper, it would have been history LONG ago. Tone is very important to me.

 

[paisleywookiee]

.... and yet Fractal and Line 6 sells lots of units every year.

I think you’re missing my point, or ignoring it.

 

[Mongillo19]

I think you’re missing my point, or ignoring it.

 

[dws2384]

What if you profile a precious amp that you just love to bits and the profile is inaccurate but you actually happen to prefer the profile because it suits your taste even better than the OG amp?
Would you still be asking for better accuracy?

If I send a photo to my printer and it comes out with the colours being different does it really matter if I find them artistically pleasing?

Sure, it could be interesting the odd time but Id probably not want it to happen often, or Id at least want to know when it would print well or not.

Maybe Id keep the first print and do another one hoping for it to give a proper output. What if each print kept coming out slightly different for no reason? Sometimes it would print perfectly, other times not perfectly but still pleasing results to me, and sometimes bad results. Would you eventually buy a new printer? Or just say it didn't matter because sometimes the inaccurate prints looked cool.

 

[Sascha Franck]

If I send a photo to my printer and it comes out with the colours being different does it really matter if I find them artistically pleasing?

I'd say yes. I'd return it, though.

 

[paisleywookiee]

I'll make it super clear, since it seems to be confusing to some people.

1. If I buy a capture/profiler device, especially for $1500+, it's because I want to profile amps and have it come out exactly like the original is. Kemper doesn't do this well for many amps, particularly Mesas, and particularly at crunch to high gain. ToneX/NAM, however, do pretty well.

2. If I buy a modeler, it's because I want something that gets extremely close, if not imperceptibly the same to an example, while also offering flexibility capture/profile devices simply can't do. For example, the JP-2C, Triple Crown, Mark V, Silver Jubilee, JCM800 and Archon models all sound extremely close on a Fractal to the original thing, when ran through a reactive load with the same IR, or when ran through a cab with an SS amp. However, I can then tweak everything to my heart's content.

My hope with the Kemper MkII is that they'd fix the shit clock radio UI, and improve the profiling ON DEVICE. While the latter might be true with the new unheard firmware (when used with a computer), the UI is still shit.

The commentary of "most touring acts are happy with the Kemper" and "most Kemper owners never profile their own amps" is all conjecture that I simply don't give a fuck about, since every single Kemper owner I've known has at least attempted to profile their own stuff., and I've yet to see a single major band in over two years with Kemper. See? anecdotal evidence is fun!

 

[Deadpan]

If I send a photo to my printer and it comes out with the colours being different does it really matter if I find them artistically pleasing?

Sure, it could be interesting the odd time but Id probably not want it to happen often, or Id at least want to know when it would print well or not.

Maybe Id keep the first print and do another one hoping for it to give a proper output. What if each print kept coming out slightly different for no reason? Sometimes it would print perfectly, other times not perfectly but still pleasing results to me, and sometimes bad results. Would you eventually buy a new printer? Or just say it didn't matter because sometimes the inaccurate prints looked cool.

If you knew what the print outcome looked like and you bought it for that purpose, what would be the issue?

IMO the Kemper is pretty good. Not perfect but damn good and it does things other units can not.

 

[Deadpan]

I'll make it super clear, since it seems to be confusing to some people.

1. If I buy a capture/profiler device, especially for $1500+, it's because I want to profile amps and have it come out exactly like the original is. Kemper doesn't do this well for many amps, particularly Mesas, and particularly at crunch to high gain. ToneX/NAM, however, do pretty well.

2. If I buy a modeler, it's because I want something that gets extremely close, if not imperceptibly the same to an example, while also offering flexibility capture/profile devices simply can't do. For example, the JP-2C, Triple Crown, Mark V, Silver Jubilee, JCM800 and Archon models all sound extremely close on a Fractal to the original thing, when ran through a reactive load with the same IR, or when ran through a cab with an SS amp. However, I can then tweak everything to my heart's content.

My hope with the Kemper MkII is that they'd fix the shit clock radio UI, and improve the profiling ON DEVICE. While the latter might be true with the new unheard firmware (when used with a computer), the UI is still shit.

The commentary of "most touring acts are happy with the Kemper" and "most Kemper owners never profile their own amps" is all conjecture that I simply don't give a fuck about, since every single Kemper owner I've known has at least attempted to profile their own stuff., and I've yet to see a single major band in over two years with Kemper. See? anecdotal evidence is fun!

I will get a Mesa out and test this. Which model do you think is the worst offender?

 

[MirrorProfiles]

But, just hypothetically: What if you profile a precious amp that you just love to bits and the profile is inaccurate but you actually happen to prefer the profile because it suits your taste even better than the OG amp?
Would you still be asking for better accuracy?

Yes. It means you need a better amp

 

[paisleywookiee]

I will get a Mesa out and test this. Which model do you think is the worst offender?

The Mark-based models.

 

[Orvillain]

If I send a photo to my printer and it comes out with the colours being different does it really matter if I find them artistically pleasing?

Sure, it could be interesting the odd time but Id probably not want it to happen often, or Id at least want to know when it would print well or not.

Maybe Id keep the first print and do another one hoping for it to give a proper output. What if each print kept coming out slightly different for no reason? Sometimes it would print perfectly, other times not perfectly but still pleasing results to me, and sometimes bad results. Would you eventually buy a new printer? Or just say it didn't matter because sometimes the inaccurate prints looked cool.

I can't think of a more perfect analogy actually. Based as fuck m8.