paisleywookiee
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Well, there's already the QC, and soon Proxy on the Stadium. So the time is pretty much already here. Or, this Spring, I guess.
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I don't agree.
I don't agree.
I don't agree.
I really don't agree.
Enchilada Jones
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I think Line 6 is stepping up to the plate with home run hitter. QC is still trying to get around the bases…soon…
Enchilada Jones
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Well my anecdotal experience cancels out with yours. What that leaves is if you look at the last couple years of whining on the inner tubes you see there are lots of people who don’t agree with your disagreement. The math shows Kemper is still at work. So like I said it’s a bit premature to declare them dead.
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I don't have anecdotal experience. I have the spirits. They tell me everything.
Mongillo19
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What is the QC trying to get around the bases on? Imo V2 captures were a huge addition. They seem very similar in terms of accuracy to NAM and you can capture comps and fuzz.
They also have modeling (which I personally prefer to Line 6). AND love him or hate him, they just got an endorsement from one of the bigger guitar players out there right now.
The Stadium is great but I think the whole "QC is so far behind" just isn't true.
paisleywookiee
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I don't know that I'd buy the QC, but I did think it was a nice device, they're continuing to move forward with capture tech, and adding more stuff. The UI is incomparably better than the Kemper. So I agree.
Enchilada Jones
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Other than accuracy of tones QC is still trying to deliver on the ‘rest of the package’. I was an early preorder owner serial number was under #300 if I recall. I’ve owned another a few years later and a Nano spurred by my optimism and fear of missing out. They are all long gone.
I’m very tuned in to what I bought, what they kept promising and what they have actually delivered.
Stadium vs, QC? I’ll take the bet on Line 6 every time.
Enchilada Jones
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You may have me beat there, I listened to Jack Daniels for a while but he was a liar.
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Keep drinking. The truth will come. Eventually.
Chocol8
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It’s totally splitting hairs, but depending on what you compare with, QC v2 captures are arguably a tiny bit better than both NAM and Tonex v2. They really surprised me with what they have achieved with this update.
I still don’t like the company or how they treat their customers, but as bad as they are they still have Kemper beat in that arena as well.
Dimiguitar
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What do your prefer about the QC V2 captures?
Dez
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Lol how are ToneX or the QC struggling?
Dimiguitar
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You can see here electric guitar preamp sales rankings on Thomann.
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Thomann Sales Rank Kemper Profiler Player
Electric Guitar Preamps at Europe's largest retailer of musical instruments - fast delivery, 30-Day Money-Back Guarantee and 3-year Thomann warranty
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Mongillo19
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What the hell is that disgusting neon blue QC. I guess I didn't realize how much more expensive the XL is compared to the QCYou can see here electric guitar preamp sales rankings on Thomann.
Thomann Sales Rank Kemper Profiler Player
Electric Guitar Preamps at Europe's largest retailer of musical instruments - fast delivery, 30-Day Money-Back Guarantee and 3-year Thomann warranty
Dimiguitar
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No idea about the blue, lel. And it's third in ranking.
I think the QC has distinct advantages over other units, including the new helix.
But I don't think I've tried the QC V2 capturing.
Mongillo19
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Definitely. I think my favorite digital product right now is my AM4. I wonder where those sales would rank if you were able to make it available in big box stores like these units.
I know the QC progress has been slow but the form factor is great, has a touchscreen, has modeling and captures (which are now high level captures), you can make captures on the device, wifi, cloud, etc.
It's easy to focus on the negatives (PCOM taking eons, not many new amp models are effects, launch fiasco). But I think it's in a good spot now and hopefully they keep pushing it forward
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I don’t think the QC is going to slow down for a while to come. It really blows my mind how many units that company moves. They’re the industry standard backup rig for the guys who don’t give a shit about modeling/profiling and seems to have far surpassed what Kemper did in this area over a decade ago. Churches, schools (music AND regular schools), live music venues, trade shows, these things are being purchased like a utility item as much as they are regular ole guitar players and I’d be willing to bet hey could keep the lights on with that market alone.
As for tweaking profiles/captures after the fact, what I found with the ToneX stuff was that I could tweak the EQ enough to make something fit in a mix and at first I thought that was only “acceptable”, but then realized it’s actually preferable in pretty much every case except the case @paisleywookiee is mentioning with Mesa’s, where you’d want the controls to respond like the amp if you could not find a capture you enjoyed and knew how tweaking it in a particular direction would deliver what you wanted.
I think it’s fair to say if you never owned a Mark and found a profile you dug, you wouldn’t give a shit if worked like the real amp or not. While I do enjoy the way some controls on amps are interactive, that can also work against you when you’re not dialing in what you want and when I’m recording, landing on a killer tone and just touching the bass/treble so it fits in the song is so much more preferable than touching a knob and changing the sound of everything else.
And in the discussion of people using/relying on presets, there is absolutely a subset of guitarist who have zero interest in dialing in their own tones. I was just reading at TOP in the Mayer plugin thread, a dude wrote something along the lines of “Why waste time twiddling knobs when you can use what a pro dialed in?” and while I-
so hard I dropped my cup of coffee, I also get it. I mean, if you plug in a guitar and like the sound you hear right away, I can’t really say that’s a bad thing. So many of us grew up working towards something we were happy with and often taking years to get there, but that doesn’t invalidate someone else’s enjoyment NOT doing that. I do think there’s an invaluable education in learning how to get your own tones, but that’s also not necessary to write a killer song or riff. And personally, half the songs I’ve written were started with a riff or idea I fell on while tweaking a piece of gear or finding out what a piece of gear, I never want that element to be minimized in any way.
I don’t think the QC is going to slow down for a while to come. It really blows my mind how many units that company moves. They’re the industry standard backup rig for the guys who don’t give a shit about modeling/profiling and seems to have far surpassed what Kemper did in this area over a decade ago. Churches, schools (music AND regular schools), live music venues, trade shows, these things are being purchased like a utility item as much as they are regular ole guitar players and I’d be willing to bet hey could keep the lights on with that market alone.
As for tweaking profiles/captures after the fact, what I found with the ToneX stuff was that I could tweak the EQ enough to make something fit in a mix and at first I thought that was only “acceptable”, but then realized it’s actually preferable in pretty much every case except the case @paisleywookiee is mentioning with Mesa’s, where you’d want the controls to respond like the amp if you could not find a capture you enjoyed and knew how tweaking it in a particular direction would deliver what you wanted.
I think it’s fair to say if you never owned a Mark and found a profile you dug, you wouldn’t give a shit if worked like the real amp or not. While I do enjoy the way some controls on amps are interactive, that can also work against you when you’re not dialing in what you want and when I’m recording, landing on a killer tone and just touching the bass/treble so it fits in the song is so much more preferable than touching a knob and changing the sound of everything else.
And in the discussion of people using/relying on presets, there is absolutely a subset of guitarist who have zero interest in dialing in their own tones. I was just reading at TOP in the Mayer plugin thread, a dude wrote something along the lines of “Why waste time twiddling knobs when you can use what a pro dialed in?” and while I-
so hard I dropped my cup of coffee, I also get it. I mean, if you plug in a guitar and like the sound you hear right away, I can’t really say that’s a bad thing. So many of us grew up working towards something we were happy with and often taking years to get there, but that doesn’t invalidate someone else’s enjoyment NOT doing that. I do think there’s an invaluable education in learning how to get your own tones, but that’s also not necessary to write a killer song or riff. And personally, half the songs I’ve written were started with a riff or idea I fell on while tweaking a piece of gear or finding out what a piece of gear, I never want that element to be minimized in any way.
synthpenguin
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If I hadn’t ended up going with the FM9, I’d have gone with the QC, I think, especially with the recent update. I like Line 6 a lot and I loved my HXS, and I trust Line 6 more as a company, but the QC is a more attractive product to me than the Stadium as things currently stand. That could likely change by the end of the year, I don’t know, but the QC wins in a direct comparison of things I care about most right now.
I am loving the FM9, and I’m happy with my choice, but I won’t lie that part of me still wonders if the QC would have been a better fit for me. All the issues with NDSP are very real, but as long as you aren’t buying based on future promises…
It’s hard for me to see why someone not already in the Kemper ecosystem would go for a Kemper now though. I feel like most of the performance advantages people cite are just workflow things that have more to do with being familiar with the Kemper approach than an actually better UX. Idk though.
I am loving the FM9, and I’m happy with my choice, but I won’t lie that part of me still wonders if the QC would have been a better fit for me. All the issues with NDSP are very real, but as long as you aren’t buying based on future promises…
It’s hard for me to see why someone not already in the Kemper ecosystem would go for a Kemper now though. I feel like most of the performance advantages people cite are just workflow things that have more to do with being familiar with the Kemper approach than an actually better UX. Idk though.
synthpenguin
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And yeah good pre-EQ can totally get *close enough* to the amp EQ experience for a lot of amps. When I was using Tonex, I tended to pick neutral or slightly thin captures and then rely on pre-EQ and got good results.
…but the amps I like tend to be pretty simple lol. I don’t think that applies to the Marks and all that.
Whether that matters or not, idk. I think a lot of Mark owner don’t really know how the EQ and various settings work, and just copy the commonly suggested settings anyway, which in practice doesn’t end up being too much different from captures + minor EQ tweaks. Depends on you for sure.
…but the amps I like tend to be pretty simple lol. I don’t think that applies to the Marks and all that.
Whether that matters or not, idk. I think a lot of Mark owner don’t really know how the EQ and various settings work, and just copy the commonly suggested settings anyway, which in practice doesn’t end up being too much different from captures + minor EQ tweaks. Depends on you for sure.
