Kemper Profiler MK 2

Axe is a lot different in feel on clean and break up than the real amps even when it sounds very similar. The Kemper is the opposite.
Not my experience at all with axe fx III and fm9... If by "axe" you mean axe fx II or axe fx III with FW v1.00, maybe I could agree.

PS: I think some prefer kemper's feel simply because it's over-compressed and feels kinda like a loud tube amp at low volume... But as soon as you raise the volume that falls apart.
 
Thanks. I would *guess* then that the reason the MK1 cannot *fully* run MK 2 Profiles is due deliberately coding the new MK2 Profiles to only run at a lower rez in the MK1 ... it would appear to me that there is no physical / technical / hardware problem ... just Kempers way of [potentially] forcing current MK1 owners to buy a MK2 if they want to run the MK2 Profiles in %100 full rez.
MKII - MKI = 1.

Look, if one needs to run the new profiles, one needs a MKII. They should explain the math behind that clearly in the FAQ. It’s leading to a lot of confusion. How can you get any pudding if you don’t eat your meat?
 
Axe 3 latest firmware Fryette power amp and f12x200 equipped cabs.
See my PS above.

Anyway, let's not turn what I said previously into a "this vs that" debate.
I'll just say this fwiw:
"For me", "personally", "ymmv" and all that kind of stuff... Fractal thru a class D power amp and 2x12 cab with traditional guitar speakers (and with a few tweaks on the SIC and speaker parameters) is the closest thing to the few tube amps I have directly compared modelers/profilers to. Kemper didn't even come close.
 
See my PS above.

Anyway, let's not turn what I said previously into a "this vs that" debate.
I'll just say this fwiw:
"For me", "personally", "ymmv" and all that kind of stuff... Fractal thru a class D power amp and 2x12 cab with traditional guitar speakers (and with a few tweaks on the SIC and speaker parameters) is the closest thing to the few tube amps I have directly compared modelers/profilers to. Kemper didn't even come close.
I couldn’t disagree more.
 
PS: I think some prefer kemper's feel simply because it's over-compressed and feels kinda like a loud tube amp at low volume... But as soon as you raise the volume that falls apart.
I've made blind tests where guitarists will pick Kemper over the real amp each time for "feel".

If Kemper gets more accurate, I wonder if people will actually prefer the results of the updated profiling vs the old one.
 
No one has ever said it is the most important part. In fact I've said the opposite several times in several Kemper threads, and aliasing is not related to concerns about accuracy either btw.

Here's pretty much what happens every single time - I say a thing in reference to the Kemper, on a technical level. It gets misconstrued and deliberately misrepresented and transformed from a technical point to a Grauniad opinion column, and then people get cross or offended or just somewhat bothered by it. Every single time.
So if I hear you right, on a technical level, the Camper sucks? I’m writing a Garnier opinion column and want to get it right. Hair bands are depending on me.
 
The merry go round, goalpost shifting and cope is amazing. Just because the kemper isn’t accurate and is lesser than today’s profiling tech doesn’t mean
- it can’t be used for gigs
- can’t provide professional sound
- can’t be used on records
- can’t be preferable over original amps

All these things and more can be true. The device is obviously robust, can service touring musicians and studios and was a pioneering approach when it came out. But at the same time it’s just not accurate to the source and pretty much all of us would like to see it be more accurate.

To bury your head in the sand and make excuses why it doesn’t need to be accurate just misses the point of striving for better and better tech. I’m happy fractal push the envelope and it sounds like helix are doing the same. I hope kemper does as well but all signs point to more of the same, and at its core that’s pretty much the collective disappointment with the mk2 and marketing involved

Of course nothing is final it could really deliver on these promises, but we’ll wait for the verdict on that.
 
I've made blind tests where guitarists will pick Kemper over the real amp each time for "feel".
Btw, this reminded me of the first time I switched from a Zoom G1 (my first electric guitar rig) to real analog pedals: I can't forget how "harder" real pedals felt to play compared to the shitty over-compressed, smeared and lifeless distortions I was getting from the G1.
That felt better also cuz the output volume and the tone was basically the same regardless of how well and cleanly I played, while with real pedals I could suddenly hear all my mistakes, the little noises I was producing and the tone changing if I didn't pick/fret correctly.

Better feel =/= authentic feel
 
The merry go round, goalpost shifting and cope is amazing.
I’m glad you like it. I like it too.

If you’d like to go in to more depth on the matter, please see my white paper formulas listed earlier.

Despite your assertions, I still don’t see why the Kamper can’t be used for gigs or to get a professional sound. And on the contrary, I think it could be used on records and even preferable to amps for some. Just my two cents.
 
Despite your assertions, I still don’t see why the Kamper can’t be used for gigs or to get a professional sound. And on the contrary, I think it could be used on records and even preferable to amps for some. Just my two cents.
Sure. I mean, gunshots have been used on records in place of snares, so basically anything can be used to get "professional sound".
Maybe we should request a guns sub-forum btw.
 
Quick! @Orvillain is coming! Man your battle stations!

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Sure. I mean, gunshots have been used on records in place of snares, so basically anything can be used to get "professional sound".
Maybe we should request a guns sub-forum btw.
But quality does matter. Peart used plywood on Tom Sawyer… not particle board.
 
You’re not making an argument, you’re making an excuse.
I’m not excusing aliasing being more prevalent in Kemper. I’m accepting the premise of that assertion. Period.
I’m asking you to have some perspective.

In spite of the aliasing being ‘however bad’ you can prove it to be the reality is: it isn’t bad enough to hamper Kempers efforts to create and sell their profiling equipment with great success. Kemper profiling has been very well received since 2011.

My take on your diatribe about Kemper and aliasing is you have narrowed your perspective solely to aliasing and seem to suggest everything else that Kemper can build a product on has little to no importance because aliasing has infected their product. Just because you say you haven’t done that doesn’t mean you haven’t. Your words prove it. Including your post I’m quoting from.

You suggest success of sales, recordings using Kempers and industry accolades are an excuse, that I cite them to prop up an insincere question.

Bullshit. The question is sincere.

Here’s another. Why do you feel compelled to claim people just can’t hear it therefore their appreciation of Kemper is not a valid reason to support their choice? Maybe they don’t hear enough of it to be concerned?!?

Sure you’ll say you don’t mind their choice but then you’ll go on citing aliasing like a priest sloshing holy water on them as if they are possessed by the devil.

The reality of it is Kemper didn’t set out to build a perfect, aliasing free product. Certainly in their efforts they would have tried to get it as perfect as reasonably possible but the goal was to introduce a viable product that would be a hit with musicians. Not a laboratory instrument that can defeat any aliasing in the process of mimicking a guitar amp.
They built the Kemper Profiling Amp and it sounds good enough to be a viable product. They then went on to prove that over the last 14 years.

That success shows that any aliasing in Kemper is of a low enough level that your peers at large in the music industry disagree with your level of alarm. And they probably would take offense at your describing them as inadequate judges of good replication of a guitar amp sound.
You’re using popularity as a shield against criticism, as if mass opinion is proof of merit. It isn’t. It never has been.
The fact that you see the mention of the success of the product as a shield from criticism is interesting. Are you the defender of the consumer? You here to defend us from our ‘lack of good judgement’? You the white knight, taking on the black knight?

You have done more than your share of declaring your criticism. We get that….yet you insist we don’t get it, that we are all deaf or in denial etc.
What is the real point you are trying to make? It isn’t that Kemper has aliasing. You wore that out a long time ago. You are after a different result. What is it?
 
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Just because the kemper isn’t accurate and is lesser than today’s profiling tech doesn’t mean
- it can’t be used for gigs
- can’t provide professional sound
- can’t be used on records
- can’t be preferable over original amps

All these things and more can be true. The device is obviously robust, can service touring musicians and studios and was a pioneering approach when it came out.
Despite your assertions, I still don’t see why the Kamper can’t be used for gigs or to get a professional sound. And on the contrary, I think it could be used on records and even preferable to amps for some. Just my two cents.
You’ve just done the exact merry go round of what keeps happening here. Arguing a point noones arguing about I guess.

Accuracy still needs improving
 
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