Kemper Player - 1st [ Paid for ? ] Update coming very soon ?

Shredder777 said:
Wouldn't it be great if the Kemper offered direct integration in your DAW? That is what it's missing. Profiling's greatest value is as a studio/production tool.

That is what ToneX brings to the table. It is a software solution that works as a VST in your host. You can experiment and change tones without having to load onto a hardware device. Because IK is a software company, they are able to monetize it as a software sale, and they are also selling pedals, which are not required to use the software.

Kemper is way behind how this technology is being used now. There is literally zero advantage to having to load profiles onto a hardware device, have a usb companion app that allows you to edit it, and then having to reamp through it when you want to make a change in your production. It is much better to load the sims into your DAW and have it saved with your templates and projects.

Kemper will have to adopt a software-first solution like ToneX and NAM.

Also, I disagree about QC. It had a tepid response and lots of launch issues, and I doubt its user base is 1/10th the size of kemper. And I doubt Kemper is 1/10th that of ToneX.

Kemper will be fine. There will always be die hards, but they aren't growing their user base at this point.
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For live gigs, Kemper is best in class. For home recording, it feels like an after thought and there are much better options.
 
what the fuck is this

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creative360 said:
That’s cool. For twelve years people said they weren’t interested in profiling, but the second QC announced it’s pre-sale the world exploded, and obviously when Tonex came out at its irresistible price point, a lot of people who are able to tolerate the less desirable aspects got in to it. The leather handle on a Kemper toaster is probably more expensive than a Tonex One, so yeah Kemper has never been in the hundred dollar pedal game and they probably never will be.
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For the QC I think captures were a "oh that's nice, but it still has regular amp modeling too" sweet spot feature where it wasn't one or the other. QC is still the only product that runs multiple captures in one preset.

Tonex on the other hand makes the price point a "eh, it sounds good so I don't mind the shit UI or having captures only" decision where the cheap cost overcomes a lot of issues.

If I wanted to go Kemper, I'd just buy a used powered Toaster for similar money to a new Player + upgrades.
 
laxu said:
For the QC I think captures were a "oh that's nice, but it still has regular amp modeling too" sweet spot feature where it wasn't one or the other. QC is still the only product that runs multiple captures in one preset.

Tonex on the other hand makes the price point a "eh, it sounds good so I don't mind the shit UI or having captures only" decision where the cheap cost overcomes a lot of issues.

If I wanted to go Kemper, I'd just buy a used powered Toaster for similar money to a new Player + upgrades.
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So my experience with the Player thus far has been good. I enjoy the iOS app that allows me to tweak away from the computer. I understand that the larger / older units need a direct modem connection to make that iOS app viable, which wouldn’t work with my layout.

This is honestly one of the main reasons I went with the Player over a Stage or a Toaster unit.
 
laxu said:
QC is still the only product that runs multiple captures in one preset.
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The HeadRush Prime family lets you run multiple captures ("clones") per preset, but usually DSP maxes out after two. Ampero IIs also allow multiple captures ("catches") per preset.

It's still a short list, but the QC launched almost 5 years ago now - others were bound to catch up.
 
Lysander said:
The HeadRush Prime family lets you run multiple captures ("clones") per preset, but usually DSP maxes out after two. Ampero IIs also allow multiple captures ("catches") per preset.

It's still a short list, but the QC launched almost 5 years ago now - others were bound to catch up.
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Isn’t this more or less the way that QC addressed snapshots? Instead of having snapshots like Helix, QC allows you to just have multiple amps on the grid that allow you to activate so you could have like a Princeton clean and a Marshall dirty?
 
wharf rat said:
Isn’t this more or less the way that QC addressed snapshots? Instead of having snapshots like Helix, QC allows you to just have multiple amps on the grid that allow you to activate so you could have like a Princeton clean and a Marshall dirty?
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Nah, QC has scenes which are largely equivalent to Helix snapshot.

What it does not have is channels like Fractal, so every different model needs to be its own block like on Helix.
 
laxu said:
For the QC I think captures were a "oh that's nice, but it still has regular amp modeling too" sweet spot feature where it wasn't one or the other. QC is still the only product that runs multiple captures in one preset.

Tonex on the other hand makes the price point a "eh, it sounds good so I don't mind the shit UI or having captures only" decision where the cheap cost overcomes a lot of issues.

If I wanted to go Kemper, I'd just buy a used powered Toaster for similar money to a new Player + upgrades.
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The price point is definitely on the high side. As you said, you can get the full pro unit used for that price.

Still, for those that need the small form factor, it's quite good.
 
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