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[laxu]

Another room or another zip code? I don't know how loud you are capturing, but when I am capturing a NMV amp another room is not far enough! With my JBL loaded Twin in the basement, trying to capture edge of breakup or beyond, I am wearing ear plugs while waiting anywhere in the house! Even my NMV 50w Marshall and 40w Super Reverb captures were unpleasantly loud, and I really don't want to use a load box or attenuator while capturing so I get the real cab SIC baked in to the amp capture.

I think it would take a purpose built sound isolation room to be able to do the monitoring from another room at a comfortable volume.

I feel you. I was thinking another room with the door closed at minimum. Or a soundproofed closet or something.

I used the master volume on my Mesa but it was still set rather loud. Noped out of the room for every capture.

 

[Progressive_disclosure]

Another room or another zip code? I don't know how loud you are capturing, but when I am capturing a NMV amp another room is not far enough! With my JBL loaded Twin in the basement, trying to capture edge of breakup or beyond, I am wearing ear plugs while waiting anywhere in the house! Even my NMV 50w Marshall and 40w Super Reverb captures were unpleasantly loud, and I really don't want to use a load box or attenuator while capturing so I get the real cab SIC baked in to the amp capture.

I think it would take a purpose built sound isolation room to be able to do the monitoring from another room at a comfortable volume.

And I thought my little 25W amp was pretty loud!

 

[AlbertA]

Or a soundproofed closet or something.

Paging @2dor

 

[2dor]

Paging @2dor

 

[Shask]

Back to Tonex land, was able to grab Tonex1 mint with good price
What’s pedal people use with Tonex these days? I’m thinking put it in the loop of Gx-10 for effect and drive

I just use it with individual pedals, like the TC Electronic Plethora X1 pedals. I am not a fan of 4CM with bigger units because of all the A/D/A conversions.

 

[Chocol8]

After skimming the last 500 pages of the Stadium thread, this morning I am thankful that Tonex doesn’t offer pitch shifting.

 

[Dimiguitar]

Fractal issued the 64738392722929th update which is said to improve the amp sims.

Provided I've captured several of my fractal tones with tonex, I was curious to see if the arguably small differences between the fractal firmwares are perceivable on tonex V2 captures of each.

So while I don't have two fractal units to A/B, the same differences I felt between fractal firmwares seemed to be there pretty accurately in the tonex captures.

You can see the difference between the captures, going back and forth between the different firmware sources. The changes in feel especially are quite evident.

That's some pretty accurate capturing. So it makes me wonder how well different tubes -- for example -- would translate in captures.

With Kemper 1.0 capturing, I didn't care much about such detail, because I didn't feel the accuracy made it worth it.

But now I may as well get into another rabbit hole of experimentation :)

 

[Sascha Franck]

Fwiw, what I *really* wish was available would be nested folders for captures and presets.

 

[Dimiguitar]

Also another use for tonex captures: firmware of a unit changes and you dislike the new "feel" or sound, but there's new features you want, and hence update nonetheless?

Go back, shoot captures, and then use the tonex for at least some of these sounds. I did this for the old fractal Fryette deliverance sim, which for me is leaps ahead the newer one. The old sim emulates an MKI deliverance, the new sim MKII.

They removed the old sim. Problem? I don't think it comes close to the new one, whether it's about more accurate modeling or differences in the source amps.

This is a pretty niche use of tonex, but a possibility. And it forces you to use tonex as opposed to the source unit, but there may be some rare cases where the above is worth it for you.

 

[Dimiguitar]

Fwiw, what I *really* wish was available would be nested folders for captures and presets.

Absolutely

 

[Dimiguitar]

I feel you. I was thinking another room with the door closed at minimum. Or a soundproofed closet or something.

I used the master volume on my Mesa but it was still set rather loud. Noped out of the room for every capture.

I'm much more likely to shoot direct captures through a good loadbox, to be frank. Just more flexible, convenient capture process, all that.

Obviously it's not gonna be the same as your load through the cab, but results I've gotten were still spectacular.

 

[Dimiguitar]

Obviously it's not gonna be the same as your load through the cab, but results I've gotten were still spectacular.

Unfortunate wording lmao

 

[Dimiguitar]

Also. I have not followed all the talk about pitch shifting, but that's one of the few features I miss one tonex one.

I know we won't get that. Requires considerable processing power obviously.

I may eventually get an external pedal for the job. But really it's one of the few things that would be of great use to me with tonex.

 

[EOengineer]

It’s all good. Just a bunch of dudes talkin’ ‘bout their loads again…

 

[laxu]

I'm much more likely to shoot direct captures through a good loadbox, to be frank. Just more flexible, convenient capture process, all that.

Obviously it's not gonna be the same as your load through the cab, but results I've gotten were still spectacular.

Loadboxes are always a compromise, so I'd rather use the real cabs if its as convenient as using the speaker out tapped Slave out on my Mesa to make direct captures.

Obviously if the amps you are capturing are something like a cranked Marshall then that approach get potentially very impractical.

The only issue with this approach is that it's not really possible to compare captured vs real amp in a sensible way because if the cab is in the same space, it will be loud enough that you can't hear shit from your headphones.

Instead I ended up just taking the guitar out of the equation completely and just making captures "blind" with settings I had figured out beforehand. I'd dial the amp to my liking with the guitar plugged in, hook up the capture test signal output to the amp and start capturing. Then I just trusted that the gain levels etc would work out.

 

[Shask]

Fwiw, what I *really* wish was available would be nested folders for captures and presets.

Sub folders would be a HUGE usability upgrade for the ToneX program.

 

[metallica86]

I had Tonex1 for few days, the clean captures sound incredible however I’m unable to find any decent crunch/ lead tone to my liking
I tried lots of Amalgam and Studio rat, didn’t like those Amalgam captures at all, all sound very digital and clipping. I set my input trim -3.5 and use my Fender Elite with bridge Humbucker. So I end up using the stock Dumble capture and my TS 9 real pedal in front.
Is it normal if all the Marshall and Mesa crunch tone sound like the same? I did something wrong I guess.

 

[synthpenguin]

I had Tonex1 for few days, the clean captures sound incredible however I’m unable to find any decent crunch/ lead tone to my liking
I tried lots of Amalgam and Studio rat, didn’t like those Amalgam captures at all, all sound very digital and clipping. I set my input trim -3.5 and use my Fender Elite with bridge Humbucker. So I end up using the stock Dumble capture and my TS 9 real pedal in front.
Is it normal if all the Marshall and Mesa crunch tone sound like the same? I did something wrong I guess.

Sounds like you're hitting the input too hot. As an experiment, use an EQ pedal, dedicated attenuator pedal, or something similar, or the TS9 with the drive almost all the way down, to cut your level (reduce the volume below unity) before going into the Tonex and see how those crunchier captures sound that way. If they aren't clipping but sound too clean, increase the gain or input trim on the Tonex One and see how it goes.

The Input Trim happens post conversion, so it won't actually prevent you from clipping the Tonex's input (unlike the input pad on, say, the Helix). It's really just a global pre-capture gain control, just like what the Gain parameter is doing per-preset.

 

[Shask]

I had Tonex1 for few days, the clean captures sound incredible however I’m unable to find any decent crunch/ lead tone to my liking
I tried lots of Amalgam and Studio rat, didn’t like those Amalgam captures at all, all sound very digital and clipping. I set my input trim -3.5 and use my Fender Elite with bridge Humbucker. So I end up using the stock Dumble capture and my TS 9 real pedal in front.
Is it normal if all the Marshall and Mesa crunch tone sound like the same? I did something wrong I guess.

I am a metal guy and I have not been a fan of any of the Amalgam captures. Not enough gain and too bright. I would look through ToneNet for some amps you are familiar with. There are some good free higher gain captures out there.

The best high gain captures though, have been the ones I have taken of my actual amps with my settings.

 

[synthpenguin]

Yeah, you may not like Amalgam Captures etc, which is totally fair, but if you're experiencing digital clipping then there is definitely something else going on. Taste and preferences aside, those are well-made captures that won't have issues like that baked in or anything.