How do I make the direct to PA sound of a modeler not terrible?

[jay mitchell]

Might be semantics, or the pedant in me, but Tonex One isn't a modeller it's a capture player.

Any DSP-based device that is used to simulate amp/dirt sounds is a modeler. They all perform mathematical operations on the digitized signal which are then converted to analog and amplified. That is the definition of modeling. The means whereby the algorithms are generated and refined are irrelevant. All such devices are modelers.

 

[jay mitchell]

This thread is destined for Gear Rants.

 

[JiveTurkey]

This thread is destined for Gear Rants.

 

[paisleywookiee]

This thread is destined for Gear Rants.

Not if we stay positive, Jay. Stay positive. We can do it.

 

[jay mitchell]

Not if we stay positive, Jay.

What you mean "we," Kemosabe? The OP isn't "positive."

 

[ian_dissonance]

Might be semantics, or the pedant in me, but Tonex One isn't a modeller it's a capture player. I run mine direct to pa and also sometimes power amp and cab and sounds great either way. DI captures into cab and full captures into PA. My PA is shit too and still sounds decent.

Oh you want to get pedantic for no reason?
Wait for it….

Any DSP-based device that is used to simulate amp/dirt sounds is a modeler. They all perform mathematical operations on the digitized signal which are then converted to analog and amplified. That is the definition of modeling. The means whereby the algorithms are generated and refined are irrelevant. All such devices are modelers.

THERE IT IS!

 

[Chocol8]

Jay is right. The device is digitally modeling a guitar amp. Whether it uses component modeling, machine learning capture tech, whatever you call the Kemper hybrid approach, or whatever, it is digitally modeling a guitar amp. The tech behind the hood is not at play here, although there may be something related to the Tonex One analog out and the input in the PA. That's what some piece by piece debugging should be able to isolate quickly.

 

[banned]

Not if we stay positive, Jay. Stay positive. We can do it.

 

[ian_dissonance]

Jay is right.

Of course, genius guy, treasure trove of knowledge. Just won’t skip an opportunity for you to find out, either.

 

[paisleywookiee]

I do agree that you should be able to play an ass kazoo through a PA, and have it sound the same as an ass kazoo through monitors. You won't, however, get ass kazoo in the room sound.

 

[Chocol8]

I do agree that you should be able to play an ass kazoo through a PA, and have it sound the same as an ass kazoo through monitors. You won't, however, get ass kazoo in the room sound.

No pictures or videos please.

 

[paisleywookiee]

No pictures or videos please.

 

[paisleywookiee]

It's times like these when I remember being a young lad in 2002 or '03, showing up to a jam spot for some dude's band, with just a POD 2.0 in my backpack, and that shit just ripped. I mean, no not as good as today, but still. The others were like "WTF? That fucking bean thing is all of your tone?"

I have no idea how people continually struggle with this shit so much.

 

[JCW308]

Any DSP-based device that is used to simulate amp/dirt sounds is a modeler. They all perform mathematical operations on the digitized signal which are then converted to analog and amplified. That is the definition of modeling. The means whereby the algorithms are generated and refined are irrelevant. All such devices are modelers.

Not really. There are modelers and there are capture players. But whatever.......

 

[jay mitchell]

Not really. There are modelers and there are capture players. But whatever.......

A "capture player" is playing an algorithm that constitutes - wait for it - a digital model of an analog signal path. Calling it a "capture player" may be a worthwhile rhetorical exercise, but it remains a modeler in spite of the rhetoric.

 

[Count_Drugula]

It's times like these when I remember being a young lad in 2002 or '03, showing up to a jam spot for some dude's band, with just a POD 2.0 in my backpack, and that shit just ripped. I mean, no not as good as today, but still. The others were like "WTF? That fucking bean thing is all of your tone?"

I have no idea how people continually struggle with this shit so much.

Funny you mention that, my POD 2.0 was absolutely horrid through a PA, and slightly less so through an amp/cab. Maybe my ears just don’t like that digital tone? I like BIG FAT tones and the modelers give me thin and whimpy.

I still think it’s silly (and frustrating) that people can get so emotional about one camp or the other. I’m just assuming we are all on the tone hunt here and I don’t care how you get there either way but it’s clear that people will defend their way as the right way and make it seems like you are mentally deficient if you can’t make that way work.

 

[JCW308]

A "capture player" is playing an algorithm that constitutes - wait for it - a digital model of an analog signal path. Calling it a "capture player" may be a worthwhile rhetorical exercise, but it remains a modeler in spite of the rhetoric.

You know full well exactly what we are talking about so stop acting all holier than thou about this absolutely stupid topic.

 

[JiveTurkey]

Funny you mention that, my POD 2.0 was absolutely horrid through a PA, and slightly less so through an amp/cab. Maybe my ears just don’t like that digital tone? I like BIG FAT tones and the modelers give me thin and whimpy.

I still think it’s silly (and frustrating) that people can get so emotional about one camp or the other. I’m just assuming we are all on the tone hunt here and I don’t care how you get there either way but it’s clear that people will defend their way as the right way and make it seems like you are mentally deficient if you can’t make that way work.

What amps did you capture? What types of tones, how much gain, what speakers did you capture for these direct tones?

 

[Chocol8]

devices like Tonex and Kemper aren't modelers to 99.99999 percent of their users.

Honestly I think you have that backwards. To most guitarists who are not on TGF/TGP it's all digital modeling. The distinction seems to only really matter to us crazy forumites.

 

[paisleywookiee]

Funny you mention that, my POD 2.0 was absolutely horrid through a PA, and slightly less so through an amp/cab. Maybe my ears just don’t like that digital tone? I like BIG FAT tones and the modelers give me thin and whimpy.

I still think it’s silly (and frustrating) that people can get so emotional about one camp or the other. I’m just assuming we are all on the tone hunt here and I don’t care how you get there either way but it’s clear that people will defend their way as the right way and make it seems like you are mentally deficient if you can’t make that way work.

I really don’t understand how you think people are getting emotional here. All you’ve done so far is reinforce you don’t actually know how to deal with this stuff, if you think digital is “thin and wimpy”. I mean, sorry anyone tried to help.