Hopefully....I'm going to eat some crow (Fender Tonemaster Pro content)

I actually had a Bassbreaker 15 and love the sound of it. Problem was the effects loop was horrible and introduced a ton of ground noise. Was going to use it with my Helix in 4cm but returned it. Otherwise it’s a really cool amp, good mid gain tones, a little darker sounding than a Marshall.

Not having a 65 Bassman and Tweed Deluxe though is a pretty big miss for any modeler. I suppose it took Helix a few years for the deluxe and a few more to get a non tweed bassman.
 
ChordInversion said:
OK, but a company that rams its history down people's throats at every opportunity suddenly prioritizing the Blues Junior is still just weird.
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I don’t disagree with you on models, but the Blues Junior is Fenders history. It’s been around for 30 years and I would bet it might be their best selling amp of all time.
 
Jarick said:
I actually had a Bassbreaker 15 and love the sound of it. Problem was the effects loop was horrible and introduced a ton of ground noise. Was going to use it with my Helix in 4cm but returned it. Otherwise it’s a really cool amp, good mid gain tones, a little darker sounding than a Marshall.

Not having a 65 Bassman and Tweed Deluxe though is a pretty big miss for any modeler. I suppose it took Helix a few years for the deluxe and a few more to get a non tweed bassman.
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57 Tweed Deluxe is in the TMP
 
metropolis_4 said:
I don’t disagree with you on models, but the Blues Junior is Fenders history. It’s been around for 30 years and I would bet it might be their best selling amp of all time.
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I grant that, but still...you get what I'm saying, right? This is a company that almost pathologically glorifies the years 1950 - 1965 (or later to sell large headstock Strats). Yet they waited on (and are still waiting on) a bunch of the amps many people get modelers for - specifically because they were used in classic recordings, and getting the physical amps is nigh unto impossible for many - but they include one you can get for $400 on Craigslist any day of the week? One that, so far as I know, hasn't been a sonic touchstone in recorded music history? One that has been the (unfair, IMO) whipping boy of many gearheads? And also the Bassbreaker? And then they do a second Blues Junior? It strains credulity after a while.

I get that the Blues Junior has been a workhorse and a home amp for a while. I just don't get the relative fixation when they came right out and said each amp takes a huge investment of time. They even did a second one!

Seems like they're imagining someone saying "I don't mind [enter whatever amazing amp here] not being available, but I sure am glad I have two Blues Juniors and Bassbreakers to choose from!" Really?
 
ChordInversion said:
I grant that, but still...you get what I'm saying, right? This is a company that almost pathologically glorifies the years 1950 - 1965 (or later to sell large headstock Strats). Yet they waited on (and are still waiting on) a bunch of the amps many people get modelers for - specifically because they were used in classic recordings, and getting the physical amps is nigh unto impossible for many - but they include one you can get for $400 on Craigslist any day of the week? One that, so far as I know, hasn't been a sonic touchstone in recorded music history? One that has been the (unfair, IMO) whipping boy of many gearheads? And also the Bassbreaker? And then they do a second Blues Junior? It strains credulity after a while.

I get that the Blues Junior has been a workhorse and a home amp for a while. I just don't get the relative fixation when they came right out and said each amp takes a huge investment of time. They even did a second one!

Seems like they're imagining someone saying "I don't mind [enter whatever amazing amp here] not being available, but I sure am glad I have two Blues Juniors and Bassbreakers to choose from!" Really?
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I actually think the unit sounds great - it's this NDSP pace of updating that made me decide to stay away.
 
ChordInversion said:
I grant that, but still...you get what I'm saying, right? This is a company that almost pathologically glorifies the years 1950 - 1965 (or later to sell large headstock Strats). Yet they waited on (and are still waiting on) a bunch of the amps many people get modelers for - specifically because they were used in classic recordings, and getting the physical amps is nigh unto impossible for many - but they include one you can get for $400 on Craigslist any day of the week? One that, so far as I know, hasn't been a sonic touchstone in recorded music history? One that has been the (unfair, IMO) whipping boy of many gearheads? And also the Bassbreaker? And then they do a second Blues Junior? It strains credulity after a while.

I get that the Blues Junior has been a workhorse and a home amp for a while. I just don't get the relative fixation when they came right out and said each amp takes a huge investment of time. They even did a second one!

Seems like they're imagining someone saying "I don't mind [enter whatever amazing amp here] not being available, but I sure am glad I have two Blues Juniors and Bassbreakers to choose from!" Really?
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Yeah, I got you, and I don’t disagree with you.

It seems to me like the decision of what Fender amps to include was based on what they had already modeled. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that most of the models in the TMP are also the ones there is a physical TM amp of.

Some of the rest, like the BJ and the Marshall/Vox stuff feels/sounds lifted straight out of the Mustang amp to me
 
metropolis_4 said:
Yeah, I got you, and I don’t disagree with you.

It seems to me like the decision of what Fender amps to include was based on what they had already modeled. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that most of the models in the TMP are also the ones there is a physical TM amp of.

Some of the rest, like the BJ and the Marshall/Vox stuff feels/sounds lifted straight out of the Mustang amp to me
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Probably as it’s easiest. But fender. Has so many cool amps they created in tube land so why aren’t there like way more fenders in the tmp?
 
banned said:
I actually think the unit sounds great - it's this NDSP pace of updating that made me decide to stay away.
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fender has been releasing updates on almost a fixed schedule since the launch, every 6 months as they would?


Thats right at the same schedule at Line6 lately and certainly not a slow pace.


BTW NDSP is still working on things they were promising before they released.
 
The frequency of updates isn't really all that important. The number one rule of buying a modeler is NEVER buy a unit based on what it might be able to do down the road. Know exactly what your specific needs are, and if a unit doesn't meet those needs right now, do not buy it.

For an awful lot of people, the TMP is a perfect fit right now. For them, it's the right choice.
 
metropolis_4 said:
Yeah, I got you, and I don’t disagree with you.

It seems to me like the decision of what Fender amps to include was based on what they had already modeled. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that most of the models in the TMP are also the ones there is a physical TM amp of.

Some of the rest, like the BJ and the Marshall/Vox stuff feels/sounds lifted straight out of the Mustang amp to me
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fMakes me wonder if somewhere in Fender land they have a big ol super computer for creating their models, and they had to “down sample” (dont known that’s the right word) to make it work on mustang hardware, so when time came for the TMP, they were able to use the same master software model, but take advantage of more processing power on the TMP.
 
It would make zero sense for Fender to build their flagship hardware modeler off their entry level combo amp software.
 
Jarick said:
It would make zero sense for Fender to build their flagship hardware modeler off their entry level combo amp software.
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It makes sense if the goal is to attract Blues Junior owners to the TMP, but that in itself seems a bit of a stretch. Putting a BJ in the Mustang amps, however, WOULD make sense. Makes you wonder just how much the corporate bean counters at Fender are influencing the TMP road map.
 
Frodebro said:
Putting a BJ in the Mustang amps, however, WOULD make sense.
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s reactions mr GIF
 
Frodebro said:
It makes sense if the goal is to attract Blues Junior owners to the TMP, but that in itself seems a bit of a stretch. Putting a BJ in the Mustang amps, however, WOULD make sense. Makes you wonder just how much the corporate bean counters at Fender are influencing the TMP road map.
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...yeah I'm not going to buy that conspiracy theory. I've got the little Mustang Micro headphone practice amp which sounds pretty decent for $100 but it doesn't sound or feel anything like the TMP.

Just going purely on development, Fender has put out massive updates every six months or so since launch. I'd put them ahead of everyone outside Fractal and Line 6 for ongoing support at this point.
 
Jarick said:
...yeah I'm not going to buy that conspiracy theory. I've got the little Mustang Micro headphone practice amp which sounds pretty decent for $100 but it doesn't sound or feel anything like the TMP.

Just going purely on development, Fender has put out massive updates every six months or so since launch. I'd put them ahead of everyone outside Fractal and Line 6 for ongoing support at this point.
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What conspiracy theory? There’s no good reason to include a fucking Blues Junior in a flagship modeler.
 
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