Hopefully....I'm going to eat some crow (Fender Tonemaster Pro content)

[timbuck3]

You know what - keep 'researching' and going in circles. FYI - FOMO = "Fear of Missing Out"

 

[timbuck3]

For Tim it means fear of maintaining order

 

[banned]

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[Boudoir Guitar]

Dude actually actually owned some of this stuff. As for why the Stadium, you should all know how much the man loves a GUI

 

[[Nathan]]

Hitting movie theatres this holiday season

 

[timbuck3]

Hitting movie theatres this holiday season

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[bucephalus]

Hitting movie theatres this holiday season

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Too many Ts

 

[timbuck3]

There’s a new update coming in dec that will blow your socks off

 

[AlbertA]

There’s a new update coming in dec that will blow your socks off

Edit: Turns out he was.

 

[Jarick]

Jason at TOP said their update had to get pushed back due to a significant bug but there will be an update in December.

 

[AlbertA]

From @stilwel post on the Official Fender Toner Master Pro Discord:

Hey!
I've seen all the recent chatter about the next firmware update and wanted to let you all know the status.The team has been hard at work on an amazing new update that is loaded with some really great new models and features. We were planning to release it shortly but ran into a significant bug that was found very late in testing. We decided this one just had to be fixed so it's going to delay the release a few weeks so we can do some additional testing. We should have it ready to go in December, just in time for the holidays.This update is going to blow your minds!Once again, thanks to all for your patience and for helping build this great community! We have over 3,000 members now and growing everyday.Jason

 

[ChordInversion]

I guess we'll see what approach they take. I suspect more of the gradual, broad-based catch up strategy. A few amps spread out across various types, a few features updates, some effects. All will become clear in December.

 

[paisleywookiee]

They really need to improve amp modeling too. Unless there’s been some major improvements since last December, it’s WAY behind Fractal and QC, and I’d even say behind current Helix.

 

[[Nathan]]

They really need to improve amp modeling too. Unless there’s been some major improvements since last December, it’s WAY behind Fractal and QC, and I’d even say behind current Helix.

I see some people (who don’t own the TMP) say this. But I see more owners who’ve had multiple units say they like the modelling of the TMP. There’s no deep parameters and the gui is a bit fisher price so I can see how looks might equate to “feel” or “lesser quality” maybe. But is there actually something tangible where the modelling is inferior?

For the rockverb, soldano and evh stealth which is the majority of what I use on it, sounds about right and on par with neural dsp sims

 

[ChordInversion]

I don't pay that much attention to people saying that modeling is better or worse, because opinions and ears vary, and so much of modeling sounds more than good enough for me. I do agree that the GUI as implemented is both easy to use and a bit Fisher Price.

 

[paisleywookiee]

I see some people (who don’t own the TMP) say this. But I see more owners who’ve had multiple units say they like the modelling of the TMP. There’s no deep parameters and the gui is a bit fisher price so I can see how looks might equate to “feel” or “lesser quality” maybe. But is there actually something tangible where the modelling is inferior?

For the rockverb, soldano and evh stealth which is the majority of what I use on it, sounds about right and on par with neural dsp sims

I’ve spent considerable time with it every time I’ve been to SW, so I don’t know what to tell you. If after all that I still think that way, I’d say it’s based on more than a cursory glance.

 

[[Nathan]]

I don't pay that much attention to people saying that modeling is better or worse, because opinions and ears vary, and so much of modeling sounds more than good enough for me. I do agree that the GUI as implemented is both easy to use and a bit Fisher Price.

Agreed, so many variables to get your tone like the guitar, play style, entire patch and settings on the unit, impedence interaction with the cab, if you’re using IRs then impedance there, quality of IRs etc, it all matters

My mind is open to it being inferior but I just haven’t seen anything sort of conclusive about it. I see more people praise it than say it’s bad so that’s all I really go off. I’ve also never been playing an amp model and thought “this is the problem”

I’m sure it’s not fractal level deep but it’s no slouch

 

[Tritium3H]

I see some people (who don’t own the TMP) say this. But I see more owners who’ve had multiple units say they like the modelling of the TMP. There’s no deep parameters and the gui is a bit fisher price so I can see how looks might equate to “feel” or “lesser quality” maybe. But is there actually something tangible where the modelling is inferior?

For the rockverb, soldano and evh stealth which is the majority of what I use on it, sounds about right and on par with neural dsp sims

Absolutely correct. I have to imagine it is mainly coming from a minor, yet vocal Fractal and Helix (sub)cult. Don't get me wrong, the Fractal and Helix systems are awesome, and they deservedly have a large and very satisfied user-base. I am one of them. However, there always are some bizarro-world fan-boys (cultists) who have to justify their sad existence with hyper partisan (and unjustified) allegiance to their equipment...while bad-mouthing alternative solutions.

Those of us who know better, and own multiple modeling/profiling systems, recognize the deserved merits and excellence of the TMP platform.

 

[Mongillo19]

But is there actually something tangible where the modelling is inferior?

I've never played a TMP but we all know Fractal touts it's superior accuracy (which imo they have more than earned). Not everyone cares about accuracy given they've potentially

1) never owned the physical amps and don't have anything to compare it to (more and more common with passing years)
2) don't care and just want good toanz (which more power to these people!)

But with that said, I'd never recommend a TMP to a person who says they want a digital solution that is the most accurate to amps while I would also never recommend the Fractal if their priority was ease of use.

 

[mikah912]

I've had them all, and the TMP is pretty good amp modeling, honestly.

I rarely say that one platform's amp modeling is superior or inferior to another because none of them have a library of monolithic quality where they were all done the exact same way at the exact same time.

During my TMP ownership, I was happy with the Soldano, Friedman, Princeton and Silver Jubilee in particular. The rest ranged from meh (Vox) to prettayyyyy good (latest version of the EVH Stealth). The biggest sticking point was that you had to pair third-party IRs with an impedance curve, and it just never worked right. The factory cabs were not bad at all, but I didn't like being limited to them.

That's one of a few quirks (the super serial signal chain would be another) that'll probably be deal breakers for some on other platforms. But it is a mostly well-thought out piece of kit that's still maturing. I hope that December update is a banger, and I have no reason to think it won't be.