Helix JCM800 2203 Request Thread (FW 3.70 new Brit 2203)!
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My Ceriatone 2204 is still plugged into my 1960A up in my office. The Les Paul combination is doing it for me.
It has the buffered fx loop on it so I threw my deluxe memory boy in the loop and ran a Green Rhino through the front. Sweet Jeebus was that a sweet tone. There was even controlled feedback happening at bedroom volumes.
Best. Amp. Ever.
It has the buffered fx loop on it so I threw my deluxe memory boy in the loop and ran a Green Rhino through the front. Sweet Jeebus was that a sweet tone. There was even controlled feedback happening at bedroom volumes.
Best. Amp. Ever.
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And with modelers we could have a list of switchable cap values.
Oh wait... we're not talking about Fractal here.
tiagoa9619
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So much silence here.. Already bought a tonex. Love it to bits, the feel is always there. Been loving the amalgam captures but I have this thing of only wanting amp only captures to use with a power amp and real cab and, oh boy, it's been difficult to find good amp only captures of a JCM 800 (I know it's not the right place, but any suggestions here?). This one is amazing:
Only problem is that I wish I was able to to change the preamp and master knob positions, to tinker with it.
All this to say: now I know I really really really want an awesome model of an awesome JCM 800 done by Line 6. A preamp would also be nice, to plug into the fx return of my Marshall MA50c with EL34s
Only problem is that I wish I was able to to change the preamp and master knob positions, to tinker with it.
All this to say: now I know I really really really want an awesome model of an awesome JCM 800 done by Line 6. A preamp would also be nice, to plug into the fx return of my Marshall MA50c with EL34s
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how well it works will really depend on what poweramp and cab you are using.
A lot of direct models are captured with reactive loads, and so will have a particular poweramp/master/impedance interaction in the model. If you are running this into another poweramp and cab, you’ll likely be doubling up on those behaviours.
and if you are using a clean poweramp and cab, you’ll have a totally different feel to the cabinet than what a valve poweramp driving a cab feels and responds like.
It’s quite hard to get right, especially as a “one size fits all” solution, because everyone is using them in different ways and with different needs.
Sometimes doubling up on poweramp interactions can sound quite good (a la Fryette Powerstation) even if it isn’t the most accurate signal flow. I think it retains a lot of the important feel and behaviours which can get lost with other methods. But it depends how you’re using them with regards to what will work best for you
tiagoa9619
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Yeah, I understand what you mean. However, at least to me, tonex into a class D poweramp into a real cab achieved the best feel until now (for this type of application). Tonex with a full amp model into a tube poweramp needed extra EQ not to sound too trebly. I don't know if that is near to what a real JCM800 is supposed to sound in the room or if the class d poweramp is a bit dull in comparison. But I understand that it might be the response of the tube power amp "being doubled" that leads to this.
Now, I'm interested in trying a 2x12 with celestion f12-x200 and full chain captures. And yes, I know these speakers are meant to be used in a specific cabinet with specific specs but if anyone has any experience with this, maybe they can share some insight.
Now, I'm interested in trying a 2x12 with celestion f12-x200 and full chain captures. And yes, I know these speakers are meant to be used in a specific cabinet with specific specs but if anyone has any experience with this, maybe they can share some insight.
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As far as “in the room” feel goes, nothing beats a valve power amp (with not too much damping/ NFB) driving a 4x12 with Celestions. The feel for me comes from the push and pull of the cabinet in the room working with the amplifier. That’s the feel I’m most familiar with and amp looking to recreate.
I know some people enjoy using class D amps driving cabs, and they can sound good, but for my taste there’s a disconnect feel wise. At a certain volume they can feel alright but I find myself chasing my tail more than when I’m driving a cabinet with a valve poweramp, where the feel is there 100% of the time.
I don’t want to plug my own stuff too hard, but I have a ton of Marshalls captured direct here. There are IR’s included in the preset which you can bypass with no loss in accuracy.
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tiagoa9619
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Awesome man, thanks a lot for that plug!! I will definitely buy those as soon as I can to check them out!
Two questions:
-What would be the best value for the input trim for your captures?
-Have you ever used them with a valve power amp? Any EQ suggestions to help it sound more realistic, if needed?
Thanks again
Two questions:
-What would be the best value for the input trim for your captures?
-Have you ever used them with a valve power amp? Any EQ suggestions to help it sound more realistic, if needed?
Thanks again
James Freeman
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... before the storm.
JCM800 models are forever cursed to be mediocre on all modelers for all eternity, so they have something to show for ever new generation.
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You van demo these to see if they fit your needs. I include DI in all the packs.
Father of the 800
These amps have been used by musicians from all styles. This is an iconic amp for a reason. Use your guitar volume.
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My models are all made for about 12dBu - I don’t have a HW pedal but I’d be curious to find out, happy to help just so I can include that value in the description.
Fryette Powerstation is my “modeller” poweramp of choice, I typically just adjust the depth and presence to suit the cab and volume i’m playing at and that works well enough. I’ve used a Seymour Duncan Powerstage too, I found that the EQ was essential but it was also a bit more fussy about volume so I’d be tweaking it more. It’s hard to say “use these settings” because your environment and needs will be unique. I always try to do as little as possible, maybe try a few different models first and see if they all need a general adjustment before getting heavy handed with any individual models.
and absolutely check out @Deadpan ’s stuff too, his are some of the only 3rd party captures that don’t sound weird to me
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Can’t say with any certainty that these are what you are looking for, or that they will fit your fancy, but have a number of direct captures of a Ceriatone 2204 here that were captured with a cab load and I intentionally kept the master low to minimize power amp distortion in the capture.
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Just run a SansAmp into the board, nobody will tell the difference in a mix.
James Freeman
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Excluding the MX5 of course.
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I feel the need to quote this again;
With the low/high sensitivity inputs and a good boost this amp can do everything from pristine cleans to the tightest gainiest metal.
In Softube JMP 2203 I switch the input cable between low/high, engage/disengage the boost (external), readjust the Master and Gain knobs to go between clean, crunch and high-gain, the nice thing about doing so is the amp retains its characteristic sound across the gain range.
If only I had the same quality Marshall 2203 in my Helix with the ability to do the switching and tweaking with Snapshots....
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With the low/high sensitivity inputs and a good boost this amp can do everything from pristine cleans to the tightest gainiest metal.
In Softube JMP 2203 I switch the input cable between low/high, engage/disengage the boost (external), readjust the Master and Gain knobs to go between clean, crunch and high-gain, the nice thing about doing so is the amp retains its characteristic sound across the gain range.
If only I had the same quality Marshall 2203 in my Helix with the ability to do the switching and tweaking with Snapshots....
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What’s the over/under L6 trolls us all masterfully by adding…the Marshall Microstack.
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On the first Foo Fighters album, Dave used two amps for all the guitars. One was a JCM 800 (or 900) the other was a Marshall Micro Stack put inside a gasoline can. You can hear that weird AM radio jar of bees thing on some tracks.
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Track the IP of whoever did the leak, and give them this when 3.70 is finally rolled out.
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I think I can get behind that. Given many modern amps are just modded versions of it.
This got me thinking. What if UA released a JCM800 pedal in the same vein as their Woodrow, Ruby, and Dream? I’m really surprised we haven’t seen a Marshall pedal yet.
