Helix JCM800 2203 Request Thread (FW 3.70 new Brit 2203)!

[the-trooper]

Mikko is totally right, every JCM800 plugin I try is very different than the other.

Because each company models a different amp, but they're all different because they suck because they use 120 years old technology?

 

[James Freeman]

Mikko is totally right, every JCM800 plugin I try is very different than the other.
It's the 2nd decade of the 21st century, we have spaceships and AI but we can't accurately emulate a simple circuit of a 120 year old technology with our space age tools?
This is a conundrum of epic proportions.

 

[James Freeman]

Because each company models a different amp, but they're all different because they suck because they use 120 years old technology?

. .. ... .... ..... ...... I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that.

 

[Byrdman]

How to get great Marshall tones from a Helix:

1. Buy a Marshall

Would that give you better Marshall tones than Factual too? Asking for a friend...

 

[djd100]

Does it have a bright cap?

Yes it does, 1000p, though you could snip it, or do as I did and add a few more bright caps and a switch (220p and 500p), which allows it to somewhat mimic JTM45's and 100W Plexi's.

 

[EOengineer]

If anyone here is doing the Tonex thing, I’ve made a handful of direct captures of my Ceriatone 2204 with and without the bright cap, as well as using either a Captor or 1960a for the load.

Ceriatone 2204 Dark Crunch

Crunchy 2204 direct capture with the bright cap bypassed

www.tone.net

Ceriatone 2204 Bright Crunch

Crunchy 2204 direct capture

www.tone.net

 

[Byrdman]

If anyone here is doing the Tonex thing, I’ve made a handful of direct captures of my Ceriatone 2204 with and without the bright cap, as well as using either a Captor or 1960a for the load.

Ceriatone 2204 Dark Crunch

Crunchy 2204 direct capture with the bright cap bypassed

www.tone.net

Ceriatone 2204 Bright Crunch

Crunchy 2204 direct capture

www.tone.net

Thanks!! Only using CS, but hopefully I'll get a chance to check it out this weekend!

 

[Perrymusica]

I am looking for some good video of JCM800 to try to make a match as I do here with a Friedman for the HX STOMP, any that you recommend? (I am not a specialist in jcm800 so I ask those who know). Thank you

 

[MirrorProfiles]

tried to include Helix here but its just so different to what the others sound like because of the bright cap. Muddy and muffled, even with the EQ cranked to try and get some bite going on. MAYBE if I got my hands dirty with pre-EQ I could have got somewhere but if I was happy to do that, then I wouldn't be in this thread. These models are all different to each other but they all tick the right JCM800 boxes for me.

 

[James Freeman]

*Line 6 Helix is disqualified because their 2204 doesn't have a bright cap.

 

[Lele]

To be honest I tried a real JCM800 a century ago, only once, when I couldn't even realize what I was playing.

Nevertheless I state that the fantastic Derailed Ingrid amp model in the Helix (=Trainwreck Express) is close enough to it and its bright switch option (with the choice of 100 and 500 pF caps) is the missing bright cap we have been discussing for a very long time.
So, eventually, I can start playing again using this lovely amp model that offers an excellent dynamic response and make me experience what I have learnt here (about why and how important the bright cap is in some cases). Thanks!

tw_express_schem_12_4_08_334.pdf

docs.google.com

 

[James Freeman]

I know people are trying to find an equivalent to a stock JCM800 2203 using different amp models and pedals but there is none, nothing in the Helix sounds or behaves like a stock 2203.
The Trainwreck Express is a Fender/Boogie Mark like amp with the tonestack before the gain stages, similar to a Dumble ODS we got recently, yes it has a switchable bright caps but it's very far from being a JCM800.

 

[SwirlyMaple]

Would that give you better Marshall tones than Factual too? Asking for a friend...

Actually no. Fractal has better Marshall tones than Marshall.

 

[Orvillain]

Actually no. Fractal has better Marshall tones than Marshall.

Dems fightin' werds.

 

[dronerstone]

After 30 seconds reading about the JCM 800 on Marshall's official website, a really dumb copywriting error jumped right at me. I might seem pedantic, but some people are actually paid to put words together...

Next time, let an actual guitarist write this, rather than a cheap SEO prick.

Can you spot it?

"High and low sensitivity outputs designed to work with a wide range of guitar pickups."

 

[Rocco Crocco]

^^^ you should email Marshall and give them some input on this.

 

[SwirlyMaple]

Dems fightin' werds.

Fractal: has good Marshall tones

Marshall:

I don’t even own a Fractal

 

[James Freeman]

Can you spot it?

"High and low sensitivity outputs designed to work with a wide range of guitar pickups."

The sensitivity INPUTS are not there to accomodate a "wider range of guitar pickups" either.
Whoever wrote that didn't put a single finger on a guitar in his life, let alone played this iconic amp.
Probably some marketing undergrad, for shame Marshall.

 

[Orvillain]

 

[Jarick]

I don’t think I’ve ever played a real 800. Played 900s and DSLs. Never played a real Plexi either.