Headrush Flex Prime

[likitlikeyoulikeit]

Yup. Same one who uses the Helix. He hasn't used it at practice in months.

Ask to borrow it ...update to the new FW.....test the latency
....... answers.....

Boom.

All the main line run 4.0 now.

As long as you copy the folder....you can always roll back to previous firmware.....but have him back it up to be safe.

Run the same test as before.

No clone
Gain pedal clone
Amp clone
Gain pedal + amp clone

2 amp clones in series switchable with scenes ...then see how many delay and verbs can be assigned.

That should be a start.

Please, kind sir?

 

[CorrosiveMatter]

I am genuinely curious. The latency thing is a big deal and I would like to know
if they have found a way to reduce what it was with the Prime.

I don't have one to even test. I had a prime but didn't really care about captures so I sold it. Now I have a pile of great amps I could capture so I might get a core to mess with.
I do know Headrush gets a ton of hate for updates but they updated 3 times since Helix last got an update lol
And now that you can clone plugins it could be fun.

Just to be an ass I might buy a Core and clone all of the presets in Helix and my FM9 and upload them to the Headrush Cloud.

 

[la szum]

Ask to borrow it ...update to the new FW.....test the latency
....... answers.....

Boom.

All the main line run 4.0 now.

As long as you copy the folder....you can always roll back to previous firmware.....but have him back it up to be safe.

Run the same test as before.

No clone
Gain pedal clone
Amp clone
Gain pedal + amp clone

2 amp clones in series switchable with scenes ...then see how many delay and verbs can be assigned.

That should be a start.

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Please, kind sir?

Haha! Never even thought of that, to be honest. Good idea.

 

[likitlikeyoulikeit]

Haha! Never even thought of that, to be honest. Good idea.

Oops.

 

[la szum]

Ok. I am going to bring it up this coming week. We cool. He borrowed a Fractal
from me for a few weeks, so this may be something I can pull off.

 

[likitlikeyoulikeit]

Ok. I am going to bring it up this coming week. We cool. He borrowed a Fractal
from me for a few weeks, so this may be something I can pull off.

 

[la szum]

Might be a fun little project where I can fall on my face and show
my utter lack in both comprehension and skills.

 

[likitlikeyoulikeit]

Might be a fun little project where I can fall on my face and show
my utter lack in both comprehension and skills.

 

[likitlikeyoulikeit]

Oops

 

[timbuck3]

I think head rush would be an okay line if they were priced like zoom stuff or Behringturd but if they think they’re going to compete with fractal and line 6 and even taster pro forget it
I mean, what’s with all? These companies thinking? They can just come out with a unit and automatically it’s a $1500 unit themselves.

 

[CorrosiveMatter]

I think head rush would be an okay line if they were priced like zoom stuff or Behringturd but if they think they’re going to compete with fractal and line 6 and even taster pro forget it
I mean, what’s with all? These companies thinking? They can just come out with a unit and automatically it’s a $1500 unit themselves.

I don't believe you would buy it if they sent you the money to buy it.....

 

[CorrosiveMatter]

I mean, what’s with all? These companies thinking? They can just come out with a unit and automatically it’s a $1500 unit themselves.

Now I can agree that not all of it was done well or wanted by all but they did come out with a device that didn't exist, Touch screen with device graphics, capture, auto-tune, scribble strips, WIFI and Bluetooth off the top of my head. On paper $999 (now was it ever $1500?) for that is amazing really.

 

[timbuck3]

Now I can agree that not all of it was done well or wanted by all but they did come out with a device that didn't exist, Touch screen with device graphics, capture, auto-tune, scribble strips, WIFI and Bluetooth off the top of my head. On paper $999 (now was it ever $1500?) for that is amazing really.

Wasnt it 1299 at launch? Anyhow i do like the gui and the looper. 799 list would make sense with Core at599 and mx5 at399

 

[timbuck3]

I don't believe you would buy it if they sent you the money to buy it.....

 

[laxu]

Well this part of the vid explains it clearly what a super clone is, and man it is AMAZING!!!! No one has done this on a floorboard yet, only HR. Well done.

ReValver Amp Cloner's proprietary SuperClone functionality is the end of limited “snapshot” amp captures. Every other cloning/profiling solution captures a single view of the amp's current settings which completely falls apart when you attempt to adjust the gain or drive setting on the capture.

Amp Clone's SuperClone functionality allows the user to combine multiple clones into a SuperClone, with the Amp Cloner Player's Gain knob seamlessly morphing between clones and retaining the integrity of the source gear. Now clones become actual amp/pedal models. You can even take SuperClones to the next level by combining clones from different amps.

That's the claim on the Amp Cloner website. But I don't think "completely falls apart when you attempt to adjust the gain or drive setting on the capture" is true at all. When I had for example the Quad Cortex, I found that the gain was actually the control that worked quite close to the real amp. It's all the other knobs that don't.

So this doesn't really solve anything. I don't know why you'd really want to do some weird "go from a Fender to a Marshall to a Mesa" thing by combining different amps under the gain knob, when you could just...choose a different capture that represents those amps.

 

[likitlikeyoulikeit]

Because it's super, duh!

 

[BenIfin]

Sounds like liquid profiling from Kemper to me...or am I wrong?

I wonder how Kemper will respond to this copying of their Liquid Profiling?

We might've been through this already, but to this day, the name of "the small Kemper" irks me.

It doesn't profile, so why is it called Profiler Player, and not Profile Player? That's what it actually is, why not, Christoph, why not???

If I ever get my hands on one, first thing I'm gonna scratch that "R" into oblivion to reveal the truth.

Just to clarify ... this Flex process is nothing at all like KPA Liquid Profiling.

With LP in the KPA, they have actually modeled the Full Gain and Full Tone Stacks of around ~35 or so Amps. So if you Profile one of the Amps in that list, you then apply the LP Tone Stack of that amp, and your LP then acts and responds authentically like the real Amp across the full gain and EQ ranges just like the real Amp .... %99 of the bread and butter Amps are in their list of ~35 or so Amp stacks.

What HR are doing here is using their copying process - which takes about 1.30min for each capture - allowing you to then make as many captures as you want with the same amp across different Gain settings ... and then the S/Clone software combines those individual captures by "guessing" [ie:- interpolating] the settings in-between the Gain stages you did not actually capture to try and create the same-real-Gain response of the Amp into the S/Clone

 

[Sedaxel]

GuitarML has this feature (mix of several captures with different settings) since a couple years. Also, I think NDSP is supposed to do something like that in their models.

What is new here is that this device allows to make those "parametric" captures by the user, and load them in the units.

Now, if the capturing itself is inferior, there's not much good here. Previous "cloning" was inferior to Cortex, Kemper, ToneX...

Not too much faith in HR, they've been repacking old software for tom long. But if they're starting to make things, I'm keeping an eye on them... Just in case.

 

[ragingplatypi]

Ok, ill play, show me what other floorboard or pedal is doing Super Clone?

 

[BenIfin]

Now, if the capturing itself is inferior, there's not much good here.

^ Their pre-existing "cloning" was audibly shit .... didn't even need "null tests" to hear it.

Maybe its gotten better ?

F.w.i.w ... given its a 90 sec process for a clone with the Flex, it almost certainly isnt going to be anything A.I / M.L based