Fractal Talk

I'm not buying it really. When you compare a real amplifier under load to any of these platforms, the amp modellers are nearly always too polite, not snarly enough, not offensive enough, and not aggressive enough. They are very good, and Fractal is certainly at the top of the pack, but they're still not as good as a real amplifier.
I agree w you
Remember that clip I posted a few pages back the 2203 from Blake
I can use the exact setting similar guitar on the Fractal and I can’t get there

Maxon into 2203 hi
Suhr reactive load curve
York Bogner cab V30 mix
I can even see the settings he is using on the amp .

Now to compare this watching vids of the Synergy syn20 w the Marshall JMP or other Marshall flavours boosted it gets very close

So if all 3 use same
Drive box . Same model amp , same load impedance curve , same or similar Ir
What’s accounts for the differences ?
 
Updated various default values (and hidden parameters) in Amp block based on new analysis methods. For many amps this improves the feel and makes the amp sound more “open”. Existing presets are automatically updated.

I wonder if this helps with what @MirrorProfiles was describing in the low mids & overall darker tonality than the amps they model. FWIW, that was also my take on the Fractal vs amps back when I had my last unit.
Certainly interesting timing. Curious to check it out
 
hey psa you can change the knobs on AFX3, not the data knob it's pRoRiEtArY shaft but the others are standard size. these are SP404mk2 knobs from xpowersdesign and midifighter twister knobs from DJTechTool, they are GRIPPY, you can roll them with the edge of your finger from below. went a little crazy last night

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Can anyone please enlighten me as to why would Lifeson or rather his tech replace years of perfectly working and meticulously (I'm claiming this word back, F ndsp) tuned world class professional full Fractal setup with a tonex pedal as the core amp sound despite having integration problems?
 
Can anyone please enlighten me as to why would Lifeson or rather his tech replace years of perfectly working and meticulously (I'm claiming this word back, F ndsp) tuned world class professional full Fractal setup with a tonex pedal as the core amp sound despite having integration problems?
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Can anyone please enlighten me as to why would Lifeson or rather his tech replace years of perfectly working and meticulously (I'm claiming this word back, F ndsp) tuned world class professional full Fractal setup with a tonex pedal as the core amp sound despite having integration problems?
No setup time
1 song , lightweight
He has a tone pack of his exact amps
 
Can anyone please enlighten me as to why would Lifeson or rather his tech replace years of perfectly working and meticulously (I'm claiming this word back, F ndsp) tuned world class professional full Fractal setup with a tonex pedal as the core amp sound despite having integration problems?
Did he ever use the FAS amps besides maybe on the FM9 gig in the UK?

Seems he's now eager to have many original (amp) sounds he's used to now also use live(?) -- which to him could be way easier with ToneX tech help (and he could possibly receive money for it).

From the latter updates and threads, it's also easy to fear that the FM9 has become too risky to gig with. Let's hope all of those probs are caused by people using too much CPU.

A lot of small pedals seem to just work 100% of the time and can feel more dependable, so maybe a ToneX preset is now selected via MIDI from the AFX III.

As ToneX seems to sound so much better than I used to suspect (I've never played one) -- why not...

Just curious how they are pulling this off if many amps/cabs are used (re. the advice to preferably only use one IR on a gig).
Sure, if it's just 3 to 5 different amps, a real pro can probably bring it all in line.
 
Can anyone please enlighten me as to why would Lifeson or rather his tech replace years of perfectly working and meticulously (I'm claiming this word back, F ndsp) tuned world class professional full Fractal setup with a tonex pedal as the core amp sound despite having integration problems?

Because Tonex does the core amps sound as well or better than anything out there, and that definitely includes Fractal IMHO. If he has captures of his real amps with his settings, its also easier and simpler than using a modeler to deep dive dial everything in.

The integration problems are going to happen with anything, and he isn't the one figuring them out. I am sure he has a tech working on it with the other techs (sound and lighting and???) and they are getting IK support.
 
From the latter updates and threads, it's also easy to fear that the FM9 has become too risky to gig with.

I don't think that's a reasonable conclusion. Earlier firmwares are rock solid and sound great. Pick one you like and rock out!

Although the current production firmware for the FM9 is a snag, Fractal Audio has twenty year history that says they'll fix the problem. I just wish they'd say something publicly. Non-beta firmware freezing at gigs when the cpu isn't overloaded....not cool.
 
Yeah, Tonex sounds and feels great, he can capture his exact amps and doesn’t need to tweak things on the fly, and the integration issues are easy to solve if you have the resources (which he totally does). A lot of the pros are already used to using an Axe just for FX and using actual amps for the amp part, and this is a slimmed down version of that approach that still lets them have (a capture of) their actual amps.
 
Geez! What happened to the Fractal Forum 32.03 thread? Never seen anything like that before! o_O
Holy shit. I feel like locking the thread would have been enough but completely wiping it has to be… well quite something.

EDIT: especially given that the whole “authentic knob range” discussion was over ~12 hours ago.
 
People sucking all the joy out of creating things, that's what happened.
As I was there yesterday, but I don't know where to follow what happened today as I have been banned, I'm going to take 5 minutes to try and express myself in your language, but really try to explain how I felt about the situation from my perspective.

1/ I started saying to Cliff that both ce2 or small clone didn’t act like the pedals that I own/or owned. Because of the rate knob, and because we have a knob better than the original switch .

Ok, that’s a forum, that’s not a « thank you « , but it is related to the firmware .

2/ the first answer that I have from Cliff is that I can go use another product if I am not happy . I hated that answer. To me It was a complete disrespect for what I have done from the brand since maybe 10 years now. (I owned the axe fx 2)

I have promote the fractal In all my socials, friend, others forums, even others brand forum lol . I always said that this is the best modeler, that’s you need to have one …
I have done millions of demos , I have 70000 followers in my guitar channel. When I say that something is great, I am sure that there is a commercial impact for fractal audio, I am sure that I have helped to sell axe fx, as I got messages like « wow, because of you I have bought an Axe fx as i love your tone »

So telling me to go fuck myself , brrr (I take it this way)

I thought to myself, "Damn, he doesn't even respect the most prominent guys in his own camp."

3/I initially told him that I didn't think that was a very good answer. And he explained to me, a little more politely, that the controls for all the choruses were identical for everyone.

A little bit surprise, as the amp modelling is well know by fractal audio, to even including the smallest spit

4/ And since Cliff opened the door to the "go fuck yourself then" attitude towards me, these forum watchdogs had a field day saying the same thing... that I was criticizing and blah blah blah

5/ at the same time, some people get my point of view, and it start to have a mini war between having super accurate control and more extended ones

6/ And then he finally arrived, the guy who was the last straw, who spoke to me like I was shit, and that's when I finally tilted, because me too I can be bad to people. I knew when I posted my last message that it wasn't going to go over well, but I was already annoyed from the start by that "go away if you're not happy."

7/ Then it became a jumbled mess of discussion, with people pretending to want something inaccurate, etc., etc., as if they were trying to protect Cliff from who-knows-what, even though it wasn't particularly malicious to begin with. I mean, if saying thank you is awkward, and if now we can't even raise a finger to denounce something, what's the point of this topic or forum? Lock the forums from the start if you don't want any echo.

As someone in the crowd pointed out, there are already fewer and fewer interventions. Which isn't surprising, given how quickly things escalate if you say anything.


Well … nothing tragic ……
 
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