Fractal Talk

[BROCKSTAR]

You could put the GM-800 in the loop of the FM3. The routing capabilities of the Fractal would allow you to have an FM3 only signal path, a GM-800 only signal path, or both at the same time in either series or parallel.

Yeah but I want all 4 in fx loop doing stereo haha.

You could then do something similar with the VP4 and H90...

But I'm not familiar with the routing capabilities of the VP4. Probably more limited than the FM3.

VP4 doesn't have effect loop. H90 does have 2 fx loops though.

I think I'll just chain them up in series via stereo for now... gm-800 to zoia to h90 to vp4 to aeros loop studio and into fm3 fx loop for now.

If I can wrap my head around the different ways of using them in stereo fx loops with my helix floor or a boss es-5 (which will probably be best) at a later time, then I'll look into that :]

 

[Frodebro]

Yeah but I want all 4 in fx loop doing stereo haha.

The BOSS would be in stereo if you ran it in the FM3 loop. Those two units are the easy part. It's the VP4 and H90 where things get... Complicated.

 

[BROCKSTAR]

The BOSS would be in stereo if you ran it in the FM3 loop. Those two units are the easy part. It's the VP4 and H90 where things get... Complicated.

If I ran all 5 in series into fx loop they should be stereo as well? As they all have dual inputs and dual outputs, well except the gm-800 it has dual outputs which is why it's first in line?

 

[Frodebro]

If I ran all 5 in series into fx loop they should be stereo as well? As they all have dual inputs and dual outputs, well except the gm-800 it has dual outputs which is why it's first in line?

Input 1 on the FM3 is mono (meant for a guitar), but Input 2 has stereo capability. If you wanted a straightforward, series signal chain, that de-complicates things big time.

 

[BROCKSTAR]

Input 1 on the FM3 is mono (meant for a guitar), but Input 2 has stereo capability. If you wanted a straightforward, series signal chain, that de-complicates things big time.

Yes that is why guitar into vg-800 will be going into the input of fm3, and then the other 5 things in series into fx loop of fm3. I just basically wanted to know if that is doable, but I think it would be.

Then later once I think more on using helix as a switcher or just get a boss es-5 sometime which i think may be the way to go as it's smaller and takes up less room, then I'll arrange things where they can be used in series/parallel and have different versions. Well gm-800 will always be first and looper last. It's the zoia, h90 and vp4 that I'd rearrange differently in the switcher.

 

[Frodebro]

Yes that is why vg-800 will be going into the input of fm3, and then the other 5 things in series into fx loop of fm3. I just basically wanted to know if that is doable, but I think it would be.

Then later once I think more on using helix as a switcher or just get a boss es-5 sometime, then I'll arrange things where they can be used in series/parallel in helix or switcher and have different versions. Well gm-800 will always be first and looper last. It's the zoia, h90 and vp4 that I'd rearrange differently in the switcher.

I think your best bet would be to run the VG-800 in the loop of the FM3, then use the routing of the FM3 to give you the best flexibility. If you want to run the output of the BOSS into the FM3 in stereo, this would require using input 2 L+R on the FM3 (meaning no loop available).

With the BOSS in the FM3 loop, you can have a preset where your guitar goes into input 1 on the Fractal, straight to the input of the BOSS (via the loop), then from the loop return on the FM3 straight to the FM3 output 1, which is stereo. This would be the equivalent of plugging straight into the BOSS and bypassing everything in the FM3.

Next preset, guitar to input 1 on the FM3 and through a regular chain of amp, cab and effects (in the FM3) with the BOSS bypassed.

Third preset, guitar into FM3 Input 1. Immediately split the signal in the FM3, with one side going to the loop and through the BOSS, the other side going through the FM3 amp and effects. This gives you the FM3 amps and effects in parallel with the BOSS, with both chains mixed back together and sent through output 1 on the FM3 in full stereo.

 

[BROCKSTAR]

I think your best bet would be to run the VG-800 in the loop of the FM3, then use the routing of the FM3 to give you the best flexibility. If you want to run the output of the BOSS into the FM3 in stereo, this would require using input 2 L+R on the FM3 (meaning no loop available).

With the BOSS in the FM3 loop, you can have a preset where your guitar goes into input 1 on the Fractal, straight to the input of the BOSS (via the loop), then from the loop return on the FM3 straight to the FM3 output 1, which is stereo. This would be the equivalent of plugging straight into the BOSS and bypassing everything in the FM3.

Next preset, guitar to input 1 on the FM3 and through a regular chain of amp, cab and effects (in the FM3) with the BOSS bypassed.

Third preset, guitar into FM3 Input 1. Immediately split the signal in the FM3, with one side going to the loop and through the BOSS, the other side going through the FM3 amp and effects. This gives you the FM3 amps and effects in parallel with the BOSS, with both chains mixed back together and sent through output 1 on the FM3 in full stereo.

BUT I need all of this to be recordable into my DAW via fm3 usb out into computer, which is why I think my routing is the only way?

 

[BROCKSTAR]

I am not using normal guitar pickups.. My guitar uses a gk-5 hex pickup that goes into the vg-800 for guitar modelling and alternate tunings, so it makes more sense to have that go into fm3 normal input?

 

[Frodebro]

BUT I need all of this to be recordable into my DAW via fm3 usb out into computer, which is why I think my routing is the only way?

The VP4 also has an integral interface, so it could be last in the chain and into your computer. More coffee, more thinking, back shortly...

 

[Frodebro]

I am not using normal guitar pickups.. My guitar uses a gk-5 hex pickup that goes into the vg-800 for guitar modelling and alternate tunings, so it makes more sense to have that go into fm3 normal input?

Hmm... If you run into the BOSS first, you could send its stereo outputs into input 2 on the FM3 in stereo. Depending on how you can configure the BOSS, it would be possible to split the signal once it goes into the FM3, but then you get into some complications with running both units at the same time. If the BOSS can send a dry guitar signal to the loop send (in the BOSS) and effected signal to its main outputs, there's some wiggle room there.

 

[Frodebro]

Just took a quick peek at the VG800 manual, the signal chain layout is about the same as the GT-100 (which I have). You can definitely get creative with your routing in the BOSS, by running the FM3 in the loop of the VG800. You can split the signal in the BOSS, then run one side to the FM3 and one through the VG800 synth block. Then the main output of the VG800 into the H90, then from there into the VP4 which can then send the whole thing into your computer.

 

[BROCKSTAR]

Just took a quick peek at the VG800 manual, the signal chain layout is about the same as the GT-100 (which I have). You can definitely get creative with your routing in the BOSS, by running the FM3 in the loop of the VG800. You can split the signal in the BOSS, then run one side to the FM3 and one through the VG800 synth block. Then the main output of the VG800 into the H90, then from there into the VP4 which can then send the whole thing into your computer.

We're missing the aeros loop studio which needs to be at the end so the vp4 can't be the one to go to computer it has to be fm3 lol.

I'm sorry lol. People probably hating me in this thread already and waiting on the day for me to shut up lol.

 

[Frodebro]

We're missing the aeros loop studio which needs to be at the end so the vp4 can't be the one to go to computer it has to be fm3 lol.

I'm sorry lol. People probably hating me in this thread already and waiting on the day for me to shut up lol.

It's an interesting and enjoyable challenge. I'm beginning to really understand how the Apollo 13 engineers felt when they were forced to work with what they had to get the astronauts back without barbecuing them. Except the stakes are a wee bit lower here...

 

[Frodebro]

Just thinking out loud here, but maybe a standalone audio interface with sufficient inputs would tie everything together most efficiently. You could actually get it done with a simple two channel unit for not a lot of money, certainly much less money than a switcher...

 

[MirrorProfiles]

Exactly why I sold the QC to fund the amp. Now I can hear what the amp is going through a speaker, and listen for the same thing through the reactive load, and listen for the same thing with the amp model. I needed that frame of rererence!

I’ll have to check that setting on the BE model!

I think JBE mode has the diode clipping engaged but it’s set to clip at a slightly different point to the standard BE settings. So turning on clipping and adjusting the knob a bit might help too!

 

[BROCKSTAR]

Just thinking out loud here, but maybe a standalone audio interface with sufficient inputs would tie everything together most efficiently. You could actually get it done with a simple two channel unit for not a lot of money, certainly much less money than a switcher...

but what I like about the switcher idea is i can have multiple profiles set up with just zoia, h90 and vp4 because boss gm-800 would always have to be first in the fx loop since it's a dedicated guitar synth and aeros looper always last in the fx loop since it's a looper.

could be zoia > h90 > vp4, or vp4 > zoia > h90, or h90 > vp4 > zoia etc.. etc..

Of course for my main jazz, blues, shred stuff the fm3 internal stuff will be enough as in drop down a dirt pedal, amp/cab, delay and reverb and call it a day, but the rest of my things i have and use are for my ambient/experimental things I do as well.

Either way, it's been exciting to change things up a bit again :] and hopefully get all of this working in a stereo scenario that I should have done long ago and will be nice for my ambient / experimental things a lot.

The FM3 turbo should be here tomorrow hopefully but USPS sucks anymore so who knows :] As for when it shows up, I will just keep my rig as guitar into vg-800 with h90 and zoia in the vg-800 fx loop, and vg-800 out into fm3 input and put the vp4 in fx loop (don't have looper up and running right now) as it's pretty much already set up for that so will be easy to swap the fm3 in quickly and put vp4 in fx loop until I play with the fm3 a bit and feel comfortable and then I will switch things up the way I want.

Sorry that you're all dealing with my ramblings but i do appreciate the help and chat into this new fm3 world. Apparently maybe I'm a complicated person lol.

 

[KHAAAAAAANNNNNNN!!!!!!!!]

At this point It feels like this should go to it's own thread. It's not Fractal talk. It's how do I make gear do things it was never designed for. (Which I understand is a big part of what some of you spend most of your time contemplating).

 

[R590]

No I didn't mean sell helix for a switcher. I meant I could probably use helix as a fx loop switcher.



My issue is i don't think that can work either. I need 4 stereo fx loops i think to make this work as in gm-800, zoia, h90 and vp4 all going into fm3 fx loop. And I think helix floor is 4 mono or 2 stereo fx loops. Geez you'd think I'd know this by now after having it for 9 yrs haha, but I only used it as 4 mono fx loops.

Looking at the back of the boss es-5, i don't think i can make that work either for 4 stereo fx loops either.

So maybe only way is to do what i wrote earlier.

Unless i need insert cables like my hosa dual ts to trs cable?

If so then that may work as I'd take the dual sides from outputs of each pedal and the trs side into each return on helix or if i got a boss es-5, then take helix outputs or boss es-5 outputs into the fx loop of fm3, if this is correct?

For now I'll just try what I wrote earlier when the fm3 comes and I may be happy with that result and give this more thought!

Would the Morningstar ML10X loop switcher work? I have the smaller mono unit, but the big one has 5 stereo loops and is fully MIDI controllable.

 

[BROCKSTAR]

At this point It feels like this should go to it's own thread. It's not Fractal talk. It's how do I make gear do things it was never designed for. (Which I understand is a big part of what some of you spend most of your time contemplating).

How is it not fractal talk when fractal fm3 is the center of the whole thing lol And it's all designed to do what i want, which is why they make things stereo or series/parallel or switchers etc.. The issue is just trying to figure out which way is the best with the FRACTAL since I'm new too it etc.. Just asking for some friendly help.

 

[deadpool_25]

Morningstar loop switcher is a great idea.