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GreatGreen said:
More forum virtue signalling because you think Cliff is reading.
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AlbertA said:
(by charging the 30% tax on developers backs BTW)
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This is exactly it. And music software is no exception.

Hell... my bloody London Underground daily travelcard is over £16 now to offset the fucking thieves who just barge through the barriers. Think about that... £16 a day to pay for thieving cunts to steal services.
 
Whizzinby said:
I get the perspective you’re coming at it from.

I think FAS just needs to keep dropping killer plugins. That’s how they win. Their core base will support them, and if the plugs are awesome, it will generate more sales outside of their base. (Both legitimate and illegitimate) Worrying about dudes using cracks seems futile. Do your best to prevent it, but just try to win with killer products. The more people are enjoying the plugs the more they will consider the hardware, and vice versa.
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Totally agree. I think Fractal wins by continuing to put out the best stuff in the industry like they've always done. People are always willing to pay for quality stuff.
 
Boudoir Guitar said:
I don't think you got the point of the post...
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Maybe I read too much into some of the other posts I saw you like in this thread.

There are certainly a sizeable number of people on this forum who don’t have an issue with stealing software (many of whom aren’t posting at all in this thread). It’s pretty widespread, and I’ve seen all kinds of goofy justification to it.

I sort of understand when it’s teens/people in their 20’s but it’s a bit embarrassing when people don’t grow out of it.
 
GreatGreen said:
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This study mentioned in the article found no statistically significant of sales displacement across the board.


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This study funded by Google found a 4.1% loss of sales of blockbuster films. 4% isn't "literally nothing" but... it's a rounding error.


Feel free to post more articles "proving" how devastating piracy is to sales, lol.
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It doesn't matter if pirating has no impact on sales (although i doubt that highly and it's not just about sales, it affects peoples livelihoods that produce the product), it's thievery plan and simple. It shouldn't be downplayed or accepted under any conditions. That's not virtue signaling, that's just a fact that majority of people can agree upon. Yeah, it's the price of doing business in today's world but it shouldn't be brushed off as 'oh well?'
 
Orvillain said:
You can be sure that when my stuff launches, it will get cracked. You can also be sure that at random points throughout the usage period, if it detects that the binary has been decrypted or fucked with, you're going to get a fully animated goatse on your screen every single time you launch the plugin. Fuck piracy and fuck pirates.
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Oh you need to send Sascha a copy with slight decryption then
 
GreatGreen said:
blockbuster films.
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Video games and films have different usage dynamics than audio plugins, and are massively larger industries. Scale matters in issues like this. The amount of money one video game company, like Valve, pours into anti-piracy mechanisms is probably larger than the entire size of the audio plugin industry. It simply isn't possible for an audio plugin developer to spend the kind of resources Valve does to fight pirates.
 
MirrorProfiles said:
Maybe I read too much into some of the other posts I saw you like in this thread.

There are certainly a sizeable number of people on this forum who don’t have an issue with stealing software (many of whom aren’t posting at all in this thread). It’s pretty widespread, and I’ve seen all kinds of goofy justification to it.

I sort of understand when it’s teens/people in their 20’s but it’s a bit embarrassing when people don’t grow out of it.
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I liked posts because to the extent we are ever going to get to the root of of where the 0.09-0.115 range we lie, its not going to come from a bunch of folks that own tens of thousands of dollars of music gear yelling "ITS STEALING!!!!!!" As someone who's gear investment prooooobably gets up to that $10k point I count myself part of that.

I do have strong opinions on equating IP with physical property so directly, but that doesn't mean my moral compass comes out anywhere different, nor is it a conversation that is remotely appropriate to this thread.

I will fess up that in my Kemper days someone gave me access to The Google Drive. It was huge. It had pretty much every commercial Kemper profile commercially available at the time. I downloaded the mother load, played through a bunch of profiles and bought a whooooooooole bunch that I never would have bought, wound up NOT buying some that I might have bought otherwise because they wound up sounding like ass, never failed to buy anything I used for more than five-ten minute "yay or nay" demo window. I justified it because Kemper profiles aren't something you can really demo. Yeah, there are some demos available but partial demos aren't really the same thing as demoing the whole pack, and yeah a lot of vendors prooooobably woulda given me a refund if I reached out after not liking, but it was just way easier to mow through that folder of profiles as a demo pool. I don't think this example is meaningful at all in trying to determine whether the ratio of pirate users:lost sales is 1:0.99999999 or closer to 1:0.5.

On topic:
-It sucks that this plugin was cracked.
-I presume that Fractal only went down this road with the assumption that it would get cracked. That doesn't change anything, but might explain the price tag somewhat.
-if Fractal went into this thinking they somehow were going to be immune to something that seemingly happens to every other plugin vendor, I genuinely hope they've booked a few therapy sessions. I don't say that in a mean spirited way, but in an empathetic "that would really suck and would fuck with my head enough if it happened to me that I'd want to talk to somebody about it for a couple hours."
 
Elf said:
According to the Internet this is not a correct statement, some of their their plugin were cracked before that.
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It is a correct statement, their stuff hadn't been cracked for 4+ years.
If you mean BEFORE that, then yes I think it was pretty much early 2021 --> late 2025 that nothing had been touched
 
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