mavrick102000
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That'll cost an extra $100Why not EVH “Unchained”
EVH Hypersonic (version of the FR12)
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JiveTurkey
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If Mesa shows up with something; pants will be soiled.
paisleywookiee
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pipelineaudio
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I do! I don't pass up a chance to measure something if the time and tools are available.
And guess what, just like every single time magic or religious claims are tested and and answer is found, the answer is not magic and not religion, these things all follow known laws.
paisleywookiee
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And what did you find when you compared it to the Laney and Fender?
pipelineaudio
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I could only compare it to other PA speakers and the Celestion F12 X200 so far. What I find is that the Headrush has kind of a lot of low mids compared to a flatter PA speaker, but its easy enough to dial out...Like most of these types of things, it has a divorced tweeter and woofer, so it changes a LOT depending on where you are in relation to the speaker, unlike the Celestion F12, which isn't as flat as most PA speakers but sounds pretty much the same fro ma wide array of angles unlike the separate two ways
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So you have no idea how they compare to the cabs we’re talking about. Got it.
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On the contrary, I know how the headrush deviates from flat. I also know how to deal with that. Because of that I also know that if the FR12 isn’t reasonably flat AND ( and this is the big one) if people actually can tell the difference between the FR12 and a similar 2 way divorced (which would be: Citation Needed), then there’s some sort of error which seems pleasing to people. But in my no other job ever in my life than recording engineer, I’ve never heard an error that ALWAYS sounds better than flat, so I’d rather just have flat.
paisleywookiee
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I guess you’ll have to try it yourself and find out.
I find it odd that people spend money on higher end speaker cabs, when we all could buy a Headrush, and just EQ it. Why, it’s a goddamn miracle Red Sound, Laney, Atomic, etc even sold any cabs.
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pipelineaudio
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They spend that money sometimes because there are real world, adult people measurements in units that actually exist that are better in some of the other products, like SPL. A QSC K series 12 will blow a headrush 12 across a football field in SPL for example. Some brands have a reliability reputation, I would pay more for that.
On the other hand, are you not aware that there are piles of people who will fight to the death to defend their purchases of 5000 dollar mic preamps that actually test WORSE than 50 dollar ones? Or alleged wine experts, among the top five earners of sommeliers that cannot tell the difference between the taste or red and white wine?
paisleywookiee
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I guess you’ve got it all figured out. The joke is on the rest of us.
If I can live with them as stage monitors (which I can for now) are there any recommendations on how to overcome what I sending to FOH being too bright? I mean, i really had to tune the low end, mids and highs in my presets to get the HeadRush sounding good. I am worried these exact "tweaks" are going to sound like ass to FOH. Is there a way that I can EQ my sound after it goes to FOH? Maybe I back off my EQ setting on the Tonex, pass through the HX effects, stereo out to 2 DI boxes to front of house, passthrough to my Headrush but put a Boss Stereo Graphic EQ just before them to fixe the HR curve? I came here looking to discuss some options, not to argue over what is better or worse. I just cannot justify the cost of the Fenders right now. I will revisit this when the EVH Hypersonics are available. At least if I decide to fork out the cash, I will like the way the cabinets look. I already have a 5150iii EL34 and Marshall 4x12 anyway so I know I like the aesthetic. Thanks all!
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On the Helix floor you can EQ, you can chose which outputs get the EQ (except ^&%*$*$%&^%^&*(%^&*(&*(%^%^&* headphone outs where I need it the most)
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Its not rocket science, just a willingness to accept data and empirical findings
I only have the Line6 HX Effects and it doesn;t have a global EQ. I am using both L&R outputs to my pair of HeadRush FRFRs so the only thing I can do is add an EQ block. That would affect these main outs. As far as I know there is no other way to get a signal out of the HX unit. If I add an Effects loop as a block, then the signal has to get back into the unit of the signal patch is lost. Is there such a think as a stereo send block that I might be able to pass the audio out of the unit before it hit an EQ block? Just thinking out loud here. Thanks.
For anyone remotely interested, I was able to setup a stereo send block on my HX effects and send the signal out to a DI box and straight to the mixer. On the block, you simply set the passthrough to 100% and the signal continues on down the line while also sending a signal out. I would be losing access to using it as an effects loop though. kind of a bummer. Cool. I can then add a block after this with an EQ to potentially compensate for the HR curve discussed yesterday. Anyone have any idea which EQ I should use? I did load up the 10 Graphic EQ (stereo version) and was able to manipulate the tone to just the HeadRush speakers but at this point, the Tonex has already been tweaked to compensate for this. I guess I would need to possible re-EQ the Tonex preset using my studio monitors? Then when I listen through the HeadRush use the EQ to get as close to that as possible?
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10 pages is a lot to go through. Does @deadpool_25 know about these? It's like having a 5150 III, without the 5150 III! 
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They ain't even out yet! I don't think? But I'm good with my two FR-12s anyway lol10 pages is a lot to go through. Does @deadpool_25 know about these? It's like having a 5150 III, without the 5150 III!
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I am Intrigued by the New ToneX cabs though
Why? The fact of having some tone control on top is nice, that EQ Knob for mic/live is also intriguing, looks good, has a better quality pre-amp/amp than say the Fender , speakers seem to be better quality as well Celestion driver and Lavoce Horn loaded tweeter, they look a lot better than the Fenders, slightly smaller footprint
Will they sound better than my Powercabs? > yet to be heard, When out ill order one to test and compare and see if worth it will do the same with the Fender/EVH at the same time, and return or keep what i deem is worth it
Why? The fact of having some tone control on top is nice, that EQ Knob for mic/live is also intriguing, looks good, has a better quality pre-amp/amp than say the Fender , speakers seem to be better quality as well Celestion driver and Lavoce Horn loaded tweeter, they look a lot better than the Fenders, slightly smaller footprint
Will they sound better than my Powercabs? > yet to be heard, When out ill order one to test and compare and see if worth it will do the same with the Fender/EVH at the same time, and return or keep what i deem is worth it
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