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I'll probably revisit Falling Into Infinity today. It ranked as my 2nd fave DT Album. :idk

 
The way DT albums work for me is SFAM was the pinnacle. Every album before built up to that one and it’s been a gradual decline since.

My top 5 would probably go
  1. Scenes from a Memory
  2. Falling into Infinity
  3. Awake
  4. Images & Words
  5. A Change of Seasons
 
Sorry I’ll give it a rest after this, haha. I just listened to A Change of Seasons on my way home from a matinee and that is hands down my favorite DT song.

That song is a masterpiece, it is end to end perfection and the best example of the all the best qualities of DT:

It has some of the most badass heavy 7 string riffs of all time. But instead of being entirely driven by these it uses them for dynamic effect and to build energy and tension at key moments.

It’s an epic 23:00 composition that feels like a cohesive piece.

It’s an ensemble piece, it’s not just driven by distorted guitars, it weaves masterfully through different styles where each person in the group shines.

There are great bass groove driven sections.

The parts around 11:45 - 13:00 are a great example of the fun Zappa/fusion/prog influenced music that I never hear from them these days.

The guitar solo around 17:00 is epic and one of my favorite of Petrucci’s career. This is the kind of thing he does so well.

It is memorable! It’s the kind of song I find myself humming during the day. And I haven’t listened to it in years and I was able to sing along with almost the entire song. It actually has melodies!

This is their best and what I wish they would get back to :chef
 
Sorry I’ll give it a rest after this, haha. I just listened to A Change of Seasons on my way home from a matinee and that is hands down my favorite DT song.

That song is a masterpiece, it is end to end perfection and the best example of the all the best qualities of DT:

It has some of the most badass heavy 7 string riffs of all time. But instead of being entirely driven by these it uses them for dynamic effect and to build energy and tension at key moments.

It’s an epic 23:00 composition that feels like a cohesive piece.

It’s an ensemble piece, it’s not just driven by distorted guitars, it weaves masterfully through different styles where each person in the group shines.

There are great bass groove driven sections.

The parts around 11:45 - 13:00 are a great example of the fun Zappa/fusion/prog influenced music that I never hear from them these days.

The guitar solo around 17:00 is epic and one of my favorite of Petrucci’s career. This is the kind of thing he does so well.

It is memorable! It’s the kind of song I find myself humming during the day. And I haven’t listened to it in years and I was able to sing along with almost the entire song. It actually has melodies!

This is their best and what I wish they would get back to :chef

For 19:00 plus they tried to get back to that with Shadowman Incident. :unsure:


:rofl

There are some killer Reddit threads on just that song alone----if you have
any time to kill today.
 
Sorry I’ll give it a rest after this, haha. I just listened to A Change of Seasons on my way home from a matinee and that is hands down my favorite DT song.

That song is a masterpiece, it is end to end perfection and the best example of the all the best qualities of DT:

It has some of the most badass heavy 7 string riffs of all time. But instead of being entirely driven by these it uses them for dynamic effect and to build energy and tension at key moments.

It’s an epic 23:00 composition that feels like a cohesive piece.

It’s an ensemble piece, it’s not just driven by distorted guitars, it weaves masterfully through different styles where each person in the group shines.

There are great bass groove driven sections.

The parts around 11:45 - 13:00 are a great example of the fun Zappa/fusion/prog influenced music that I never hear from them these days.

The guitar solo around 17:00 is epic and one of my favorite of Petrucci’s career. This is the kind of thing he does so well.

It is memorable! It’s the kind of song I find myself humming during the day. And I haven’t listened to it in years and I was able to sing along with almost the entire song. It actually has melodies!

This is their best and what I wish they would get back to :chef
Of course we're all entitled to our opinions, but as I continue to listen to PS, now back to work, so it's on during my commute, and at least 1 listen during work..., I think of 2 your comments in context of what I'm hearing: The lack of continuity you hear in TSMI, and your lamenting the lack of more fusion-like themes.

I'll kind of give you that TSMI does jump around, to me it's just different paths on the journey of that epic masterpiece, yeah, I think it's a masterpiece. It may be my favorite epic from them. The way the chords morph from one place to another, in various meters, etc., it just blows my mind how they end up right back where they started! DT does this SO WELL! I don't have any trouble with the changes myself. To me, they all fit. Now, a change that I do still feel, and felt the first time I heard it, is in Midnight Messiah. That's a bit abrupt. But in The Shadow Man, they just don't. To me.

As to the lack-of-fusion, also, maybe so. BUT. I follow these musical ideas pretty well now, and the musical understanding it takes for them to craft these incredible changes..., I mean, I'd LOVE to see what the overall chords are in some parts of some of these songs. To me, THAT type of writing ALWAYS flows more than fusion stuff. Shit, look how, out-of-left field some of the ideas come at you in Erotomania for example.

I know if you don't like it, nothing I say can change that. I even used an analogy myself about foods here in the past. So I get it. But to not hear the greatness of these songs, on the level of anything they've ever done, and being/been a big DT fan, I wish you enjoyed it as much as I am!
 
Of course we're all entitled to our opinions, but as I continue to listen to PS, now back to work, so it's on during my commute, and at least 1 listen during work..., I think of 2 your comments in context of what I'm hearing: The lack of continuity you hear in TSMI, and your lamenting the lack of more fusion-like themes.

I'll kind of give you that TSMI does jump around, to me it's just different paths on the journey of that epic masterpiece, yeah, I think it's a masterpiece. It may be my favorite epic from them. The way the chords morph from one place to another, in various meters, etc., it just blows my mind how they end up right back where they started! DT does this SO WELL! I don't have any trouble with the changes myself. To me, they all fit. Now, a change that I do still feel, and felt the first time I heard it, is in Midnight Messiah. That's a bit abrupt. But in The Shadow Man, they just don't. To me.

As to the lack-of-fusion, also, maybe so. BUT. I follow these musical ideas pretty well now, and the musical understanding it takes for them to craft these incredible changes..., I mean, I'd LOVE to see what the overall chords are in some parts of some of these songs. To me, THAT type of writing ALWAYS flows more than fusion stuff. Shit, look how, out-of-left field some of the ideas come at you in Erotomania for example.

I know if you don't like it, nothing I say can change that. I even used an analogy myself about foods here in the past. So I get it. But to not hear the greatness of these songs, on the level of anything they've ever done, and being/been a big DT fan, I wish you enjoyed it as much as I am!

Yeah, I can appreciate the musicianship, but I don’t enjoy the song. I’m not interested in complexity for the sake of complexity or technical difficulty for the sake of technical difficulty. I can have an appreciation of the skill and talent involved but not enjoy listening.

Some of it is a style preference thing. I’m just not that interested in guitar riff based music or modern metal. I can listen to one or two modern metal songs before I start to get bored and change the channel.

DT used to be more of an ensemble, now it sounds to me like it’s become The John Petrucci Show. Every single song is just one heavy guitar riff after another, all based around guitar riffs, and the guitar is now always out front above all the other instruments. That’s not my thing. I much prefer music where the guitar is used as one part of an ensemble. I find that kind of music much more interesting and compelling musically. And that’s what DT used to be that I loved. Now they seem more like Petrucci Theater.

TSMI is never going to be a song I love. I don’t enjoy listening to it, and I don’t find it very moving or compelling. I find myself bored after about half way through and just waiting for it to end. It just doesn’t feel like a cohesive piece to me.

Honestly, A Change of Seasons gave me chills the very first time I heard it. I felt that song. It moved me. And I still get that feel from it today. Nothing in the new album has hit me that way.

Also I like Petrucci’s solos on Trial of Tears and A Change of Seasons 1,000,000x better than anything he plays on all of Parasomnia. My favorite thing about his soloing was always his phrasing. Sure he’s got crazy speed and can play all sorts of pyrotechnic stunt guitar parts, but his phrasing was next level.
 
DT used to be more of an ensemble, now it sounds to me like it’s become The John Petrucci Show.


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:rofl
 
True story:

Home from work and the store. Want to make Dinner, but put on YT
Music and hit the shower first. Come out of the shower and DT is playing.
I don't recognize the song right away and I think, "This is a total banger!"

:rawk

Go to check out the song and it The Shadowman Incident. :LOL:

Now I am all set to learn those Trem Warbles John is throwing
down. :love
 
I grew up musically in the middle to late 90s, as such Vai, Petrucci, Dino, and the lot were a big influence on me and I quickly found 7 string to be my natural instrument. That hasn't changed in 25 years. It's a great variation on a wonderful instrument.

"Vai, Petrucci, Dino" sums up my sophmore year of high school perfectly. Obsolete and Pantera's Watch It Go were my gateway into heavier-than-AIC metal and I'd keep the 7th Heaven Ibanez vid on repeat at the music store I worked at back then.
 
Funnily, I noted yesterday that "..Shadow Man" and "Dead Asleep" are my current two favorites. :rofl

Even funnier, I completely agree with Metrop on the overall critique and general thoughts on the band today. I just learned to enjoy them differently than I did in the past and there's enough cool shit on this album that I'm not forcing myself to listen. DT music used to provide space for me to think, or the songs could carry me through a range of emotions, "ACOS", "Voices", "LITS", "Learning To Live"....perfect examples.

Ever since Systematic Chaos/BCSL once the song starts, that's pretty much the vibe the entire song and 9x out of 10 it's 'set the lasers to stun', if you want a slow, chill/vibey section, you gotta wait for a full-on chill song. As soon as I read they wrote the album in 3 months I knew what to expect and I was bummed at first, even hearing the first single from a songwriting perspective. I was ignoring the fact that not all music has to be life saving/have a profound effect on you, it's fine for it to just be fun to listen to.

I think a huge part of that, outside of them writing/recording at light speed, is that Kevin and Derek could write vibey/moody shit all day long and Jordan can't go longer than 15 seconds without reminding us he's a virtuoso. Kevin gives us the middle section of "Voices", Derek gives us the middle section of "LITS" and Jordan's given us 20 years of musical ADD.
 
Funnily, I noted yesterday that "..Shadow Man" and "Dead Asleep" are my current two favorites. :rofl

Even funnier, I completely agree with Metrop on the overall critique and general thoughts on the band today. I just learned to enjoy them differently than I did in the past and there's enough cool shit on this album that I'm not forcing myself to listen. DT music used to provide space for me to think, or the songs could carry me through a range of emotions, "ACOS", "Voices", "LITS", "Learning To Live"....perfect examples.

Ever since Systematic Chaos/BCSL once the song starts, that's pretty much the vibe the entire song and 9x out of 10 it's 'set the lasers to stun', if you want a slow, chill/vibey section, you gotta wait for a full-on chill song. As soon as I read they wrote the album in 3 months I knew what to expect and I was bummed at first, even hearing the first single from a songwriting perspective. I was ignoring the fact that not all music has to be life saving/have a profound effect on you, it's fine for it to just be fun to listen to.

I think a huge part of that, outside of them writing/recording at light speed, is that Kevin and Derek could write vibey/moody shit all day long and Jordan can't go longer than 15 seconds without reminding us he's a virtuoso. Kevin gives us the middle section of "Voices", Derek gives us the middle section of "LITS" and Jordan's given us 20 years of musical ADD.

Yeah you’ve got Jordan and Petrucci and neither of them are vibey/moody groove kind of guys
 
Appreciate you guys giving me a different perspective to look at, and listen to, different things. :beer

Some of these perspectives are more fun than others, though. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯:guiness :rofl
 
FII is such a DT outlier to me---from the songs to the guitar tones. I love it. Just odd
for me to listen to because I hear the most Rectifier of all of Petrucci's Rectifier tones.

My hunch is Petrucci and Portnoy still don't love the Album. :LOL:

I was working in a Record Store (that also sold Jacksons and Marshalls) in 1990-93
when Images & Words came out. Made an instant impact on me and my friends. So
cool, because there was not much New Wave Prog at the time. Just Rush and Yes
both doing their thing. Nothing that was Progressive and Heavy.

Such a cool time in music. You could have DT and then a band like White Zombie
come out in the same year and both kind of blow up in their own ways. I miss
that kind of popular diversity in music.

I'm listening to it now in my studio, I don't think I've listened to it much since I started learning how to record/mix and definitely not on these speakers. I'm appreciating it even more now for how raw it really is. It's their first album without the big reverbs of the 80's/90's. No huge kick/snare, the EQ has a good amount of EQ on it but the rest of the kit is just some outstanding sounding Starclassics and good cymbal choices.

Petrucci's tones vary between scooped Recto and 'this could have been a Marshall'. I just spent 20 minutes trying to find it, I know I have it saved somewhere but the pic of Petrucci in the studio recording this album with every Mesa they ever made set up in an isolated room off the live room. I know he used a Talman on "Anna Lee" and I think he used a Rickenbacker on "Hollow Years". But even when the riffs are more rockin', they come off subdued. It sounds like they worked on getting different tones for each song, but didn't bother getting bass and guitar tones that blended together.

I love his tone on the solo for "Take Away My Pain", that was a unique one for him.

I can definitely see why people were let down with this one, coming off Awake/ACOS, there really isn't any technical prog shit on this album at all. I have no problem with that, but I can definitely understand the backlash. This was their Load album.
 
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