Does anyone actually want these super tiny modelers?

[djd100]

Are we sure MIDI-over-USB isn't working?

Published specs and manual don't mention MIDI, though I haven't tried it as I don't need it for a tube power amp sim?

It's unlikely but possible I guess that there's hidden MIDI via USB as there is in the ZOOM MS70-CDR and the like? Whoever wants the Tonex One to have MIDI should test it I guess, and then if present reverse-engineer it's spec etc.

I’m assuming you’re doing this because you turned off the on-board poweramp sim to run the FM3 into a real amp and cab and send a “proper” signal (with poweramp and IR) to FOH?

No, I'm using the ToneX One for a tube power amp sim with my various tube preamps which reside in my FM3's FX Loop, both because I'm a lazy tube snob, and also to give the FM3 dual amp capabilities which it lacks vs the FM9/AFX3. In any case if using guitar cabs which I rarely do these days (mostly DI'd with IEM's), I use solid state power to drive the speakers. This gives me control over the virtual tube power amp's "sweet spot" independent of SPL (loudness), and saves a ton of size and weight.

 

[Boudoir Guitar]

I had it. It has too much crap I don't care about or need and it took up the space of 3 pedals on the board

Some dudes are willing to bring a head and a 2x12 on casters to get the amp tone they want. Others just can't manage to deal with the size of a 6.92", 0.3 pound pedal.

 

[MatrixClaw]

Are we sure MIDI-over-USB isn't working?

Yes. There are some devices that have come out that act as a bridge for this, but it's not sending midi by default.

Some dudes are willing to bring a head and a 2x12 on casters to get the amp tone they want. Others just can't manage to deal with the size of a 6.92", 0.3 pound pedal.

Kind of a different situation. Most people have specific sized boards. If I can't physically fit the pedal on my board, you have to upgrade the whole thing. A small pedal is usually much easier to cram into an existing board than one the size of an HX Stomp.

 

[Boudoir Guitar]

Yes. There are some devices that have come out that act as a bridge for this, but it's not sending midi by default.

Kind of a different situation. Most people have specific sized boards. If I can't physically fit the pedal on my board, you have to upgrade the whole thing. A small pedal is usually much easier to cram into an existing board than one the size of an HX Stomp.

No worries -- around here is universal language for "just a funny observation"

Like most things produced by IK, I feel like the Tonex One is specifically crippled for no other reason than to get you go buy two of them.

 

[Sascha Franck]

Yes. There are some devices that have come out that act as a bridge for this, but it's not sending midi by default.

I'm not talking about them to send out MIDI but to receive it. Plenty of small MFX use that internally anyway.

 

[Sascha Franck]

Like most things produced by IK, I feel like the Tonex One is specifically crippled for no other reason than to get you go buy two of them.

Hm, what exactly are the crippled things?

 

[MatrixClaw]

I'm not talking about them to send out MIDI but to receive it. Plenty of small MFX use that internally anyway.

That's what I mean. You need a MIDI translator:

CLiCK v2 | MIDI to Analog, Wireless MIDI Interface, USB Host

The Ultimate MIDI-to-Analog Utility Compact, powerful, and versatile, the CLiCK v2 is the all-in-one solution for musicians and producers seeking to bridge MIDI and analog workflows. At just 26mm thin, this USB MIDI interface, dual relay switcher, and MIDI-to-expression converter outperforms any...

piratemidi.com

 

[Boudoir Guitar]

Hm, what exactly are the crippled things?

You can load a couple dozen profiles, but…despite having ways to pretty easily make 3-6 readily accessible with that alt button and/or footswitch; nope. Just 2.

no (supported or documented) midi over usb.

 

[Boudoir Guitar]

That's what I mean. You need a MIDI translator:

CLiCK v2 | MIDI to Analog, Wireless MIDI Interface, USB Host

The Ultimate MIDI-to-Analog Utility Compact, powerful, and versatile, the CLiCK v2 is the all-in-one solution for musicians and producers seeking to bridge MIDI and analog workflows. At just 26mm thin, this USB MIDI interface, dual relay switcher, and MIDI-to-expression converter outperforms any...

piratemidi.com

if it does receive MIDI through its USB port (and stores profiles as MIDI addressable things) you just need a MIDI to USB converter/cable/whatever and nothing more. That’s how the Zoom pedals work anyway.

 

[Sascha Franck]

You can load a couple dozen profiles, but…despite having ways to pretty easily make 3-6 readily accessible with that alt button and/or footswitch; nope. Just 2.

no (supported or documented) midi over usb.

Well, while I'm the last person to defend IK, I really see this as a 150 bucks unit. For that, it's an incredible value. And nobody ever really complained about, say, the AFB to only offer 2 "channels", either. With less FX options and what not. And no MIDI, either.
I also happen to think that cycling through more than 2 patches without a meaningful display would be incredibly cumbersome. Let alone you'd be dealing with constant parameter jumps should you actually want to edit them.
Sure, there's even cheaper units by now, (such as the Valeton GP-5) but I don't think they'll match the hardware quality. And they're not exactly easier to deal with, either.

 

[MatrixClaw]

if it does receive MIDI through its USB port (and stores profiles as MIDI addressable things) you just need a MIDI to USB converter/cable/whatever and nothing more. That’s how the Zoom pedals work anyway.

It doesn't, this why you need something like this device that converts MIDI messages to the software commands. It's possible that a controller could build this support into their device though. I know it's been requested on the Morningstar forum several times since they could use their USB host port for it.

 

[Sascha Franck]

It doesn't, this why you need something like this device that converts MIDI messages to the software commands.

So how would the Pirate MIDI thing do that? Did they hack the Tonex One's "software commands"?

 

[Sedaxel]

if it does receive MIDI through its USB port (and stores profiles as MIDI addressable things) you just need a MIDI to USB converter/cable/whatever and nothing more. That’s how the Zoom pedals work anyway.

No, it's not a simple midi to USB cable. For this to work, you need a midi-usb-host device (a device that acts like a computer... A smartphone, a PC or a dedicated midi host).

 

[Boudoir Guitar]

Well, while I'm the last person to defend IK, I really see this as a 150 bucks unit. For that, it's an incredible value. And nobody ever really complained about, say, the AFB to only offer 2 "channels", either. With less FX options and what not. And no MIDI, either.
I also happen to think that cycling through more than 2 patches without a meaningful display would be incredibly cumbersome. Let alone you'd be dealing with constant parameter jumps should you actually want to edit them.
Sure, there's even cheaper units by now, (such as the Valeton GP-5) but I don't think they'll match the hardware quality. And they're not exactly easier to deal with, either.

I don't disagree with the general premise. I mean, a retail $179 pedal is going to be limited in features. However, nobody complaining about other similar boxes not having MIDI...pfffffft!!!!!! There is a server-wroth of Laxu posts alone :)

 

[djd100]

You can load a couple dozen profiles, but…despite having ways to pretty easily make 3-6 readily accessible with that alt button and/or footswitch; nope. Just 2.

no (supported or documented) midi over usb.

20 profiles, three immediately available via foot switch and button, all 20 available via scrolling through them in a specific mode via a knob.

The HW is nicely done considering it's size and control layout, and while it's software sucks it is workable, so it's certainly reasonably usable for a specific task like I use it for which doesn't require constant tweaking (just power amp selection, EQ, gain and level, maybe room reverb sometimes).

 

[Boudoir Guitar]

20 profiles, three immediately available via foot switch and button, all 20 available via scrolling through them in a specific mode via a knob.

The HW is nicely done considering it's size and control layout, and while it's software sucks it is workable, so it's certainly reasonably usable for a specific task like I use it for which doesn't require constant tweaking (just power amp selection, EQ, gain and level, maybe room reverb sometimes).

I thought it was just 2. I rescind my comment.

 

[djd100]

I thought it was just 2. I rescind my comment.

It's two captures available in one mode (foot switch switches between captures a + b), and a third capture in another mode (foot switch switches between capture c and bypass), modes being select-able via the front panel controls in yet another setup mode.

In another mode you can select from the 20 available captures which are loaded into a, b, and c, though of course the horrible editor mostly makes this easier LOL.

You always have control over the BMT EQ and output level in one mode, and after one button push you get control of gain level, comp threshold, delay level, and reverb level.

Tonex One Man English

 

[JiveTurkey]

Published specs and manual don't mention MIDI, though I haven't tried it as I don't need it for a tube power amp sim?

It's unlikely but possible I guess that there's hidden MIDI via USB as there is in the ZOOM MS70-CDR and the like? Whoever wants the Tonex One to have MIDI should test it I guess, and then if present reverse-engineer it's spec etc.


No, I'm using the ToneX One for a tube power amp sim with my various tube preamps which reside in my FM3's FX Loop, both because I'm a lazy tube snob, and also to give the FM3 dual amp capabilities which it lacks vs the FM9/AFX3. In any case if using guitar cabs which I rarely do these days (mostly DI'd with IEM's), I use solid state power to drive the speakers. This gives me control over the virtual tube power amp's "sweet spot" independent of SPL (loudness), and saves a ton of size and weight.

Do you think the Tone-X took the placebo place of the tube preamp you ran all those years?

 

[Richard_G]

Does anyone actually want these super tiny modelers?

Yes, I do want my Tonex One. Not as the only available solution, but as part of the arsenal. It's a fantastic option as an amp+cab sim on a pedalboard combined with stomp boxes for FX, as a very portable solution for practicing or traveling, and as a convenient back up when you plan on using other gear. It can also be used as an USB audio interface for recording when you can't or won't use your main interface, when travelling for instance.

 

[JiveTurkey]

Other than the capture process and software being hell on earth; its a handy little piece.