Does anyone actually want these super tiny modelers?

hahaha i was actually going to make a post about something smaller than my LT

but i still need at least a few footswitches and probably an exp pedal so maybe its not even worth it, def dont wanna have to use an app to control it.
 
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Size matters less if you are using it as a modular component on a pedalboard. If the device has good MIDI support, you don't need a bunch of footswitches and knobs on it. Use external device(s) for that - and then you don't have to pay for them again when you get the new shiny more powerful little modeler that comes out next year.
 
I get the tonex one completely….not for me…but if amps, or a drive pedal is all you need from it (on a crowded pedalboard) …super small and an accessible tonestack…perfect right? Headphone solution on the couch..would work for me!

Personally I don’t need as small as Tonex one, and prefer some more control over super small size. To me, the Kemper player fits my “small needs”.. gives me controls I need at a gig, giggable standalone, midi capable…and I actually wouldn’t wanna trade physical knobs for a screen on a unit that size, tablet works fine in the scenarios I (might) use the device.

I have asked myself if it really adds value next to a QC, which is small enough for anything…and in real life I use the QC when I play out, more switches, easier access to parameters. On the other hand, the player gets most use overall…cause it’s small enough to leave on the armrest of my couch (99% of practice & recording happens there). it looks like it will go on efx/cabsim duty in an analog rig I wanna try, probably of good use there.

Obviously, smaller then fm3/QC moves the added value of size into the “nice to have” category….but if small offers all you need for some, or meets a small budget, or if you are willing to pay for a 2nd unit for a little extra comfort in certain scenarios….valid place in the market imo.
 
AFKAEjay(retired) said:
Headphone solution on the couch..would work for me!
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Add to this that it can be powered from your smartphone's USB outlet. That's really really slick and possibly the main reason why I will get the Tonex One some day. And once you've dialed in some rather utilitarian reverbs/delays, the tonestack should be pretty much all you need to adjust as long as it's really just a practice unit. There's really nothing like it on the market providing sounds as good at that form factor.
 
Sascha Franck said:
Add to this that it can be powered from your smartphone's USB outlet. That's really really slick and possibly the main reason why I will get the Tonex One some day. And once you've dialed in some rather utilitarian reverbs/delays, the tonestack should be pretty much all you need to adjust as long as it's really just a practice unit. There's really nothing like it on the market providing sounds as good at that form factor.
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Install logic on that phone…and you are recording;) (it does do usb audio right?)
 
AFKAEjay(retired) said:
Install logic on that phone…and you are recording;) (it does do usb audio right?)
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Android user here, so recording is pretty much out of the equation. Also, on iPhones there's just Garageband, but that'd be fine. I'm actually considering moving away from Android with my next phone and tablet.
Anyhow, yes, it does USB audio.
 
I do not like the mini pedals. The only mini pedal I own is the MXR Phase 95 and that's only because MXR doesn't make it in the regular size with all of the features it has. The mini pedals have the weird offset jacks, are awkward to stomp and always feel wobbly even with dual lock.

The standard MXR size for me is the perfect "small" form factor - I'd be more likely to get a Tonex One if they put it in a box at least that size. Boss did pretty much nail the controls for the IR2 - they've been doing some fairly complex pedals for a while with those concentric pots and other tricks.
 
Sascha Franck said:
Android user here, so recording is pretty much out of the equation. Also, on iPhones there's just Garageband, but that'd be fine. I'm actually considering moving away from Android with my next phone and tablet.
Anyhow, yes, it does USB audio.
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Cubase for android!
I did run into old fashioned sync issues between audio with cubase on iOS…so I abandoned that 5 minutes after install. But..the reviews showed a lot of happy users…and steinberg promptly refunded me when I asked them to cancel the purchase cause of the issue.

I love having a daw on my tablet, I import a stereo mixdown from my studios daw for tracking, record DI in the daw on the tablet, and transfer that back to my main setup when I’m done, and reamp. Really adds value when you are doing something you can not nail in 1/2 takes, and simply want to try some stuff ..and take 134 is the one ;)
Also great for practice, import an irealfile, record…and evaluate.
 
I use my Stomp as a set and forget on my pedal board. When I make changes, it’s thru HXEdit. When jamming I have no interest in knob-fiddling.

So, from that POV, if I could have a Stomp level unit that takes up less space than my SD-1, Id be all for it.

Reminds me I don’t think my Stomp has the latest firmware update… doh! :facepalm
 
laxu said:
After the Tonex One, there's been a lot of devices coming out in the same super small form factor, some with quite extensive features.

I get that they are tiny and cheap, so probably get sold a lot as Christmas gifts. Cost is likely a big draw in countries where average income is much lower like Latin America or Asia.

I get why a large Tonex can be inconvenient to cram on some pedalboards mainly to serve as amp/cab sims. But the Tonex One feels like it's too far into miniaturizing it, severely compromising its usability for smaller size.

But just making these things the size of say a Boss, Strymon/Source Audio (El Cap, Nemesis etc) pedals would already let you cram in way more controls, maybe even a small screen like the Walrus ACS1 Mk2. They'd still be compact enough to fit any pedalboard without issues.

The HX Stomp/GT-1000 Core form factor already allows for full blown touchscreen, do-it-all modelers ala Hotone. That's still tiny for what these can do, and can clearly be quite affordable, just not dirt cheap.

Does anyone actually want their modeler to have an absolute minimum number of controls and rely 99% on a mobile app? Why would you pick that over something marginally larger that offers more onboard control?
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The Tone X One shocked me when I first saw it and was considerably smaller than I expected. The Hotone Mini is pretty compact considering it has a touchscreen. I like the form factor of the Amp Academy and Firebox MKII. The Core was nicely sized as well.
 
AFKAEjay(retired) said:
I get the tonex one completely….not for me…but if amps, or a drive pedal is all you need from it (on a crowded pedalboard) …super small and an accessible tonestack…perfect right? Headphone solution on the couch..would work for me!

Personally I don’t need as small as Tonex one, and prefer some more control over super small size. To me, the Kemper player fits my “small needs”.. gives me controls I need at a gig, giggable standalone, midi capable…and I actually wouldn’t wanna trade physical knobs for a screen on a unit that size, tablet works fine in the scenarios I (might) use the device.

I have asked myself if it really adds value next to a QC, which is small enough for anything…and in real life I use the QC when I play out, more switches, easier access to parameters. On the other hand, the player gets most use overall…cause it’s small enough to leave on the armrest of my couch (99% of practice & recording happens there). it looks like it will go on efx/cabsim duty in an analog rig I wanna try, probably of good use there.

Obviously, smaller then fm3/QC moves the added value of size into the “nice to have” category….but if small offers all you need for some, or meets a small budget, or if you are willing to pay for a 2nd unit for a little extra comfort in certain scenarios….valid place in the market imo.
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ToneX One needs a headphone jack IMO.
 
Sedaxel said:
I even think the QC is too miniaturized for what it packs. For me, a little larger form factor would have been better for THAT package.

And, if they wanted to offer an "ideal for flygigs" unit, then a less capable unit (less footswitches or I/Os, for instance) in the current QC form factor would be better, IMO.

And then, the smaller unit, the NC (which for me is perfect for the size, and hopefully will be better with some basic ipdates).

So yeah, I love mini pedals. Always did. My tubescreamer is a Joyo Grenn Legend (mini-mini-minimal size). I´ve got several Valeton Lofts (compressor, blues driver, analog delay), had the Xotic compressor (fantastic), etc. And I would see very attractive a capturing player in a mini format alas ToneX One, but having MIDI and a standardized gain system. That´s why I still prefer the NC over any other mini profilers (well, and that it has built-in capturing capabilities).
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I agree. The QC gets a good number of complaints about the foot switches being too close together.

My use case is live gigging. Nothing small form factor will be able to provide an equal experience to my Kemper Rack with foot controller, so these products aren't for me.

I suppose if there are people out there using a hybrid approach of having a modeler inside a chain of other foot controllers on a pedal board, this small form factor might be appealing (although I totally don't understand this at all).

Where I see it working is people who fiddle in the basement (or other man cave related space) and are very price sensitive. These products could be the "free hit of drugs" needed to move an individual into the modeling world where they would purchase the big brother product in the future.
 
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