Atomic Tonocracy (Inc NAM support)

[MirrorProfiles]

I sometimes forget that Tonocracy has some models of some of my favourite amps, they can get overlooked a bit.

Figured I'd try and match the tone from my Rectifier and BE100. Got SORT of close, but maybe not as close as I'd usually like. Not sure if its impedance curve related stuff (I used cab loads for me tones) or different versions of the reference amps, or something else. I think they sound quite good regardless and like you'd imagine the amps to sound but not quite the same.

Tonocracy vs Amps

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I also wish those amps had all the modes and channels as the real things, and looked the part too. I think it adds a lot when the experience feels like using the real thing, and you can approach it in a similar way. Would be a cool addition down the line.

Not saying any of these are perfect (or even good) GUI's, but which of these gives the impression of the most in depth, highest quality, most accurate representation of a Dual Rectifier?

 

[GTR37]

I sometimes forget that Tonocracy has some models of some of my favourite amps, they can get overlooked a bit.

Figured I'd try and match the tone from my Rectifier and BE100. Got SORT of close, but maybe not as close as I'd usually like. Not sure if its impedance curve related stuff (I used cab loads for me tones) or different versions of the reference amps, or something else. I think they sound quite good regardless and like you'd imagine the amps to sound but not quite the same.

Tonocracy vs Amps

Listen to audio losslessly with Samply.app

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I also wish those amps had all the modes and channels as the real things, and looked the part too. I think it adds a lot when the experience feels like using the real thing, and you can approach it in a similar way. Would be a cool addition down the line.

Not saying any of these are perfect (or even good) GUI's, but which of these gives the impression of the most in depth, highest quality, most accurate representation of a Dual Rectifier?
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The last one or amp 3

 

[MirrorProfiles]

The last one or amp 3

possibly my favourite and least favourite rectifier plugin emulations ha.

 

[yeky83]

I sometimes forget that Tonocracy has some models of some of my favourite amps, they can get overlooked a bit.

Figured I'd try and match the tone from my Rectifier and BE100. Got SORT of close, but maybe not as close as I'd usually like. Not sure if its impedance curve related stuff (I used cab loads for me tones) or different versions of the reference amps, or something else. I think they sound quite good regardless and like you'd imagine the amps to sound but not quite the same.

Tonocracy vs Amps

Listen to audio losslessly with Samply.app

samply.app

I also wish those amps had all the modes and channels as the real things, and looked the part too. I think it adds a lot when the experience feels like using the real thing, and you can approach it in a similar way. Would be a cool addition down the line.

Not saying any of these are perfect (or even good) GUI's, but which of these gives the impression of the most in depth, highest quality, most accurate representation of a Dual Rectifier?
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All these faux chrome are hurting my eyes

Do the power switches do anything?

 

[NightWalker]

possibly my favourite and least favourite rectifier plugin emulations ha.

you like the amplitube rectifier?

 

[NightWalker]

Look in your interface manual and look for its maximum Input level (at minimum gain).
In my case in an Apollo Twin X its 12.2 dB

Then in your input section up the 12dB thats in there to 12.2 done

input section of the plugin?

 

[MirrorProfiles]

you like the amplitube rectifier?

Nope, they’re absolutely dreadful and one of my least favourite amp sims I’ve ever used. But IK does a reasonable job at offering a UI with the same features and controls as the real amp.

Which one’s your favorite and least?

In plugin land:

- Helix (only red channel and no other modes, it’s such a classic amp that it deserves kitchen sink attention)
- STL Amphub and Middleton are very good
- Mercuriall is alright



The Fractal models are excellent too, but no plugin

 

[Orvillain]

Axe III has the best recto's. Kemper gets them really really really really wrong. Total fucking dickshit.

 

[timbuck3]

IS there a trainwreck in there? thats my fav amp-never should have sold mine 25 yrs ago..

 

[Ed DeGenaro]

@NightWalker yes click on input in Tonocracy

 

[NightWalker]

@NightWalker yes click on input in Tonocracy

perfect,thanks

 

[Cellomangler]

I reckon folks have checked out Two Notes release of Genome. I still prefer Tonocracy, but I believe there are three things that Atomic should consider to stay on top.
- keep it simple, add a few more effects, but you don't need VST hosting IMHO.
- let the user compile Tonocracy format profiles on their desktop and have the cloud as an option.
- until or if a hardware solution avails itself for your tech, develop a UI that will work on a small touch screen for mini PC utilization.

 

[MirrorProfiles]

There’s so much that Tonocracy missed the mark on that Genome seemed to get right from the beginning:

- Limited presence on youtube/social media. They kind of backtracked after the initial launch with Chappers, when arguably they should have just approached another 20-30 other prominent youtube personalities to do videos too
- Tonocracy’s UI just looks unfinished (or not a priority) compared to Genome (which I don’t think looks amazing but it looks like an effort was made).
- Genome’s price is fair, AND they’ve put it in the hands of a huge number of users. Probably have more active users in a single day than Tonocracy
- Genome has a proper cab section
- It’s clear in Genome what is an algorithm based model, and what is a machine learned capture
- Genome launched with a manual
- Genome looks better placed to grow/expand. IMO Tonocracy needs to rethink what it is

It’s also quite hard to see much of a future for proprietary capture formats when NAM will run on various platforms. A lot of content creators will focus on NAM as it’s going to work on the widest number of platforms.

I think the modelling on Tonocracy is much better (although not industry leading or top tier), I think the capture process and calibration is excellent. There’s great potential and excellent ideas nestled in there but the execution has totally let it down. I’m actually not too sure where it goes from here or where it makes money. Are content creators going to make models solely for its platform? Are users going to flood to its platform to load NAM models that can be loaded elsewhere? Is there enough amp models to entice people into modelling? Is the workflow/UI better than existing products?

Two Notes also came in after several years of supporting various software and hardware products and building a relationship with customers. I’m not someone with any prior experience of Atomic but it’s clear they’ve had to win users over and convince them that things will be different now

 

[nicolasrivera]

There’s so much that Tonocracy missed the mark on that Genome seemed to get right from the beginning:

- Limited presence on youtube/social media. They kind of backtracked after the initial launch with Chappers, when arguably they should have just approached another 20-30 other prominent youtube personalities to do videos too
- Tonocracy’s UI just looks unfinished (or not a priority) compared to Genome (which I don’t think looks amazing but it looks like an effort was made).
- Genome’s price is fair, AND they’ve put it in the hands of a huge number of users. Probably have more active users in a single day than Tonocracy
- Genome has a proper cab section
- It’s clear in Genome what is an algorithm based model, and what is a machine learned capture
- Genome launched with a manual
- Genome looks better placed to grow/expand. IMO Tonocracy needs to rethink what it is

It’s also quite hard to see much of a future for proprietary capture formats when NAM will run on various platforms. A lot of content creators will focus on NAM as it’s going to work on the widest number of platforms.

I think the modelling on Tonocracy is much better (although not industry leading or top tier), I think the capture process and calibration is excellent. There’s great potential and excellent ideas nestled in there but the execution has totally let it down. I’m actually not too sure where it goes from here or where it makes money. Are content creators going to make models solely for its platform? Are users going to flood to its platform to load NAM models that can be loaded elsewhere? Is there enough amp models to entice people into modelling? Is the workflow/UI better than existing products?

It will be extremely hard for TC to stay afloat.

But TwoNotes has been a strong and committed company for a long time, they have excellent customer service and the owner answers questions very quickly and stays active. Atomic had potential and was strong for a while, but they started to drop the ball and its not the pandemic fault.

When TC was announced and downloaded the demo and was quickly impressed by the lack of visual appeal it had, at that moment I knew it was over from the start. No matter how good it sounded, today, its not about that any more since there are so many killer sounding options.

 

[MirrorProfiles]

It will be extremely hard for TC to stay afloat.

But TwoNotes has been a strong and committed company for a long time, they have excellent customer service and the owner answers questions very quickly and stays active. Atomic had potential and was strong for a while, but they started to drop the ball and its not the pandemic fault.

When TC was announced and downloaded the demo and was quickly impressed by the lack of visual appeal it had, at that moment I knew it was over from the start. No matter how good it sounded, today, it’s not about that any more since there are so many killer sounding options.

There has been so much “it’ll come later and we’ll build on it” messages that other companies simply would never run with. They all add features and updates as they go, but Helix/Neural DSP/Mercuriall/Softube never feel incomplete when a product is released. You buy their products for what they offer today and anything that comes later is a bonus.

It’s very tough, even for companies who are well versed in bringing software products to launch. I’m not sure Softube would say that Amp Room is the roaring success they’d hope it would be, and I’m sure they’re still probably thinking in what they can tweak to make it a success. Even the gulf between a product like Amp Room and Tonocracy feels huge to me.

 

[Ed DeGenaro]

There has been so much “it’ll come later and we’ll build on it” messages that other companies simply would never run with. They all add features and updates as they go, but Helix/Neural DSP/Mercuriall/Softube never feel incomplete when a product is released. You buy their products for what they offer today and anything that comes later is a bonus.

It’s very tough, even for companies who are well versed in bringing software products to launch. I’m not sure Softube would say that Amp Room is the roaring success they’d hope it would be, and I’m sure they’re still probably thinking in what they can tweak to make it a success. Even the gulf between a product like Amp Room and Tonocracy feels huge to me.

Yet if I judge with ears not eyes I rather open TC than the other stuff.

… a products life span is rarely decided by guys on a forum. The reality is if you got guys like MF, Sweetwater, Thomann your customer base is a lot bigger than this micro cosm here.

 

[MirrorProfiles]

Yet if I judge with ears not eyes I rather open TC than the other stuff.

… a products life span is rarely decided by guys on a forum. The reality is if you got guys like MF, Sweetwater, Thomann your customer base is a lot bigger than this micro cosm here.

Do you buy your plugins from Sweetwater or MF or Thomann?

I think the amp modelling in Tonocracy is quite good - but if we compare it to Helix (just as a general benchmark) I don’t think it sounds better, the models are less thorough feature wise, there is WAY less amps, the cab section is far more limited, the UI is worse, there are less fx (which are also not as good). I don’t think it sounds bad, but I can’t see any situation where I’d reach for Tonocracy first.

 

[Devin]

The real question: does it fuck?

 

[Ed DeGenaro]

Do you buy your plugins from Sweetwater or MF or Thomann?

I think the amp modelling in Tonocracy is quite good - but if we compare it to Helix (just as a general benchmark) I don’t think it sounds better, the models are less thorough feature wise, there is WAY less amps, the cab section is far more limited, the UI is worse, there are less fx (which are also not as good). I don’t think it sounds bad, but I can’t see any situation where I’d reach for Tonocracy first.

Do I? No not usually. But again there are folks who do.
And I’m still thinking they’d be crazy not to do a pedal.

 

[2dor]

The real question: does it fuck?

Good ol' Tim Henson..guess he sticks all sorts of stuff in his audio interface