Zoom MS-80IR - Krampus ministomp!

[JiveTurkey]

MIDI is 40 years old tech, very easy and cheap to add these days to any digital device. I can see adding the 5-pin jacks being difficult on a small footprint but the 1/8" jacks would be fine.

Agreed! It's moreso I probably wouldn't bother buying adapters to setup midi anything on something in this sort of price bracket. I'd probably just take it as is and roll with it. Good that it does support midi. I can see if you like these sounds in this particular box well enough and you don't want to spring for the flagship but still want the tones.

 

[Shredder777]

Agreed! It's moreso I probably wouldn't bother buying adapters to setup midi anything on something in this sort of price bracket. I'd probably just take it as is and roll with it. Good that it does support midi. I can see if you like these sounds in this particular box well enough and you don't want to spring for the flagship but still want the tones.

There probably isn't as much profit margin (or physical space) on small devices. Boss GX10 also has midi over usb-c so maybe Boss/Zoom have headed in this direction. It could be commonplace for everyone to own one of those $40 usb/midi hub within the next five years.

These are the amps in the G11, which I chose over Helix and GT1000 three years ago. (I listened with my ears, not my eyes.) People dislike the size and form factor of the G11, so this pedal at $129 should be very popular if people get over their preconceptions. If I sell the G11, I would probably get one of these pedals just to "have" these amps.

 

[Sascha Franck]

I don't expect a $100 pedal to have midi. Or a bottom rung modeler, fwtw. Grabbing some 3rd party adapter and stabbing around in the dark for midi implementation on a device not officially supporting it seems like a waste of time. Unless you are doing it for "fun".

Well, the MS-50G has a rather complete MIDI implementation and you can easily access pretty much everything through MIDI-to-USB.

 

[JiveTurkey]

There probably isn't as much profit margin (or physical space) on small devices. Boss GX10 also has midi over usb-c so maybe Boss/Zoom have headed in this direction. It could be commonplace for everyone to own one of those $40 usb/midi hub within the next five years.

These are the amps in the G11, which I chose over Helix and GT1000 three years ago. (I listened with my ears, not my eyes.) People dislike the size and form factor of the G11, so this pedal at $129 should be very popular if people get over their preconceptions. If I sell the G11, I would probably get one of these pedals just to "have" these amps.

TBF; the looks of the Zoom stuff is really, really bad. So it's tough to get over that appearance hump.

 

[JiveTurkey]

Well, the MS-50G has a rather complete MIDI implementation and you can easily access pretty much everything through MIDI-to-USB.

I had one of the 2.1u(?) units with my 5150 in the loop back in the day. It did the trick. I had the CDR for a minute or two but have not felt the pull to really revisit any of their stuff.

 

[Shredder777]

TBF; the looks of the Zoom stuff is really, really bad. So it's tough to get over that appearance hump.

I understand that now, but when I bought it I didn't get it. It doesn't look "pro" even though it's function largely is. I think it was designed with a K/J-pop aesthetic.

The G11's fatal flaw is that it keeps all the blocks exposed on the pedals. So even if I have an EQ or IR that I never want to physically switch, it is always there on the board. They got around this on the G6 with software assignments. I was hoping they would update the G11 firmware to allow this, but I've accepted they never will.

 

[Sascha Franck]

Fwiw, the MS-50G is still a staple on my pedalboard. Excellent thing for all kinds of stuff. Just the amps suck big time.

 

[Shredder777]

Fwiw, the MS-50G is still a staple on my pedalboard. Excellent thing for all kinds of stuff. Just the amps suck big time.

You could get one of these Krampus pedals with the usb midi hub. I think it would fix alot of the space issues you have on your current board and would serve the same purpose as the HX.

 

[Sedaxel]

Just as a side note here: almost any pedal having USB port that I've tried responds to midi program change messages.

And with a little search on YouTube, you'll see that there are loads of videos showing how to control "name-any-pedal-here" with the /chocolate/midi chief/midi commander/midi whatever app.

The only new thing in latest Zoom pedals is that they state it publicly... While they never did in previous ones.

With any midi host capable unit (a pc, a mobile phone, a tablet, a host-interface, a raspberry...) you can control almost everything in the market. Included the ToneX One, I guess.

 

[Sascha Franck]

I think it would fix alot of the space issues you have on your current board and would serve the same purpose as the HX.

I don't exactly have a space issue and I vastly prefer the HX amps.

 

[Shredder777]

I don't exactly have a space issue and I vastly prefer the HX amps.

In that example above, do you prefer the Helix to the Zoom?

There are tonal artifacts and compression in the Helix that I personally find objectionable. It sounds smaller and less dynamic to me.

 

[Sascha Franck]

In that example above, do you prefer the Helix to the Zoom?

Irrelevant. Neither are exactly what I'm using and there's a metric ton of other things relevant as well, such as me using the connection between HX Native and the Stomp more than ever before.
Believe me, at least for live I'm perfectly happy with my sounds. And my new rig is most amazing in terms of handling, never had anything better. The Stomp is an integral part of that rig's concept, so why in the world would I use a Zoom instead?

 

[Shredder777]

Irrelevant. Neither are exactly what I'm using and there's a metric ton of other things relevant as well, such as me using the connection between HX Native and the Stomp more than ever before.
Believe me, at least for live I'm perfectly happy with my sounds. And my new rig is most amazing in terms of handling, never had anything better. The Stomp is an integral part of that rig's concept, so why in the world would I use a Zoom instead?

Because the Zoom sounds better and because its smaller and can free up extra space on your board. And because you are using the HX as an amp pedal. And because it costs alot less.

If you have tried this pedal and picked the Helix modeling over it, your ears are very different than mine.

You're hanging out in this zoom thread so it seemed like you were interested in it.

 

[Mikael Dez]

Because the Zoom sounds better and because its smaller and can free up extra space on your board. And because you are using the HX as an amp pedal. And because it costs alot less.

If you have tried this pedal and picked the Helix modeling over it, your ears are very different than mine.

You're hanging out in this zoom thread so it seemed like you were interested in it.

It doesn’t cost less if you own the stomp already!

 

[Sascha Franck]

Because the Zoom sounds better and because its smaller and can free up extra space on your board. And because you are using the HX as an amp pedal. And because it costs alot less.

Did you even read what I wrote? Apparently not.
Besides, no, I wouldn't free up space. I make intense use of the Stomp's switches. Would have to add some to the Zoom.

 

[Shredder777]

Did you even read what I wrote? Apparently not.

I answered why I made the suggestion in the first place. Its great that you found what works, but the last I read in your pedalboard thread you said something to the effect that there were wiring/clearance problems with the top row covering the outputs of the GT. And also problems with clearance of the HX plug. I remember you said you had to redo it, maybe do some carpentry.

See, I do read what you write.

I had a packed pedalboard like that once and it just wasn't worth it (for me).

 

[Sascha Franck]

but the last I read in your pedalboard thread you said something to the effect that there were wiring/clearance problems with the top row covering the outputs of the GT.

No. I explicitely want those outputs to be covered. The only space issues I had were related to the PSUs outlets. Oh, and not instantly having angled barrel plugs available for the Stomp because of their stupid format has been a small annoyance. But that was it already. Others than that, the Stomp has the perfect form factor for that very board.