Sascha Franck
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Amen.
Why no "High End" Behringturd Modeler ...... seriously ?
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Amen.
Maybe not always... but in this case, it´s too obvious it´s great quality.
Sascha Franck
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No, it's "sufficient" quality. And sometimes even not exactly.
Ooooook, mate!
Not going to argue with someone who says that the X32 is not great, really.
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I never said it's not great. It's sufficient for pretty much all kinda gigs and it's possibly the best bang-for-the-buck. So that alone is great.
Yet, that doesn't even remotely make it a high end device, which this thread is about.
That'd be like saying a standard Skoda Fabia would be a high end car. It gets all the transportation duties done, it's not too uncomfortable, either, price is decent. But it's not high end. Not even a standard VW Goif is.
You said "No, it's "sufficient" quality. And sometimes even not exactly.".
That "no" was replying to my "it's great quality".
So yes, you said it's not great quality, but "sufficient" instead (and sometimes even less than sufficient).
You're artificially trying to put down a fantastic product... I don't know if it's because Behringturd is what it is, and they have a dark history. I'm not here to defend Behringturd (I don't especially like them), but someone who forces this way an argument until the point of saying that product is sufficient quality... God... I wonder where are the rest of brands to sell a good mixer (good is better than sufficient, isn't it?) and earn tons of money. What are they waiting for?
I see so obvious that the X mixers are great quality that I don't really understand what are We talking about.
It's not high-end, ok. I said before that I get it. I get that high-end is the gear that only abbey road studios can afford. I get that high end gear is the one that costs more than 1600€... But c'mon, Sascha, c'mon.
That "no" was replying to my "it's great quality".
So yes, you said it's not great quality, but "sufficient" instead (and sometimes even less than sufficient).
You're artificially trying to put down a fantastic product... I don't know if it's because Behringturd is what it is, and they have a dark history. I'm not here to defend Behringturd (I don't especially like them), but someone who forces this way an argument until the point of saying that product is sufficient quality... God... I wonder where are the rest of brands to sell a good mixer (good is better than sufficient, isn't it?) and earn tons of money. What are they waiting for?
I see so obvious that the X mixers are great quality that I don't really understand what are We talking about.
It's not high-end, ok. I said before that I get it. I get that high-end is the gear that only abbey road studios can afford. I get that high end gear is the one that costs more than 1600€... But c'mon, Sascha, c'mon.
Sascha Franck
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No. I have seen some broken things on both X32 and Wing consoles more than once.
I have absolutely no reasons to defend or dismiss Behringturd. But please don't tell me it's "great" quality. It's not. Just google "Behringturd X32 issues". Tons of hits.
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I think if you come from the time when Behringturd were IP thieving scum 
; you have that natural dislike for the company and any discussion you get in about them. I'm not saying I don't buy cheap clone BS if I feel like it but they have always struck me as slimy.
; you have that natural dislike for the company and any discussion you get in about them. I'm not saying I don't buy cheap clone BS if I feel like it but they have always struck me as slimy.
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They still are.
I don't exactly have too much issues with them, though. But the X32s/Wings are what they are. Fantastic bang for the buck and quite decently operating units. For many people, that's good enough to find them great (myself included). But if you had a choice and money was no (or little of an) objection, you'd likely end up buying something else.
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If you google “xxxx issues” you get tons of hits. People more go to the internet to whine then they do when everything is working properly. Total fallacy argument.
Sascha Franck
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Well ok. I have experienced some issues myself. Not as a FOH operator but as a player running into X32/Wing consoles, also using their monitoring environment and what not.
ian_dissonance
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And I’ve had two XR18s in IEM racks for the last 7-8 years and use an X32 regularly for FOH for the last decade without a hitch. Anecdotal information is just that. They wouldn’t be everywhere if they were consistently unreliable.
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I never said that.
ian_dissonance
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We’ve established it’s not expensive enough to be high end a page ago. What are you saying?
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Watch out! They might sue y'all for $250k.
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Wow what a dick move.
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The X32 changed the entire industry in a way mackie or peavey never did. I run, because of riders, a console that costs nearly three times what the x32 does and can't do several of its most important critical functions, especially in routing
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And yet the exact same console, still by Behringturd, but called instead "M32" does everything the X32 does, that many far more expensive consoles can't, has a pretty robust reliability record. Dave Ratt himself does a teardown of the two of them.
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Oh wow, didn't know that. What an incredible shit show.
That may well be true; however, since every band has only 1 mixer, and sometimes more than one guitar player (frequently), I would think that the market for digital guitar processors would be at least 2 times bigger than that of digital mixers .... and Behringturd made great inroads (and a ton of money) in digital mixers.
... and that is a fair argument. When the X32 was first introduced, support for the desk was EVERYWHERE. Fast forward to today and I hear nothing but complaints about their service.
Well, they own MIDAS. Not sure anyone would consider the Heritage and older Pro MIDAS mixers anything other than "High End". They own TC. I AM sure I wouldn't call the TC M3000 to M6000 anything BUT high end.
Heritage
. Of course the Studer crowd will argue :).Indeed. In fact, it is really more like a 38 input mixer though. They count the USB internal stereo as an input as well
.Not even close. An X32 will best every mixer Mackie and Peavey ever produced. At the time of its introduction, the $3000 X32 sounded a WORLD better than the $35000 Yamaha LS9 it competed with, and had way more features.
It has the sound quality and features of mixers that were 10 times as expensive. Now, lots of these companies have upped their game and compete better with the X32 now than they did some time back, but what really happened was that ALL OTHER OEMS started offering more for less as a result of the X32 launch.
Yep. The Wing Rack can be had for $1600 and contains the TC M3000 reverb engine in it. That reverb unit ALONE once cost $3500.00. I used to salivate at the chance to record using that unit and now it is PART of a 48 stereo channel mixer that you can buy for $1600.00. That's just crazy.
Agree. The X32 is Ubiquitous because it did what ONLY high end digital mixers could do for 1/10th the price when it was released. This put the kind of sound quality and features once reserved only for touring musicians within reach of a weekend warrior band ...... like mine!
Today, an X32 rack can be purchased new for $900.00. I own one and have mixed on some pretty expensive consoles in my time. I can say for certain it is MUCH more than "sufficient".
Statistically speaking, I believe the X32 has one of the best reliability ratings of any digital mixer in its market. The reason you can find lots of "X32 issues" posts is that the X32 sells 10 times more than any other digital mixer. Prior to going digital I loved my analog Allen & Heath MixWiz. The company, and mixer, were rebound for their durability. Search "Qu mixer issues" and see what you find.
.... and so did I. I had a double whammy going on with me. I went from A&H to X32 AND gave up faders all in one product change.I think if you come from the time when Behringturd were IP thieving scum
I figured the X32 Rack was so in-demand when I bought it that if I didn't like it, I could easily sell it (as it sold out quickly in the first US shipment).
Bought it in 2013, still have it in 2025 and have had exactly 0 issues with it. I've mixed hundreds of shows with it, and it hasn't so much as hiccupped once in 12 years.
That is why the X32 is so prolific.
Now, back to the topic .....
Clearly Behringturd has the chops to make a killer guitar processor. They seem preoccupied lately with digital keyboards though. I think that Uli has an affinity for those for some reason. Maybe he will get around to a guitar processor though. I actually hope so. Man would I love to have a guitar processor with TC M3000 verbs and delays in it! How about a guitar harmonizer that can listen to the keyboard or other guitarist (or even the entire band) and give you cord-correct guitar harmonies on a lead!).
The possibilities of a Music Group guitar processor are pretty substantial. I gotta tell you guys, if Behringturd were to come out with a high end guitar processor competitor pedal for <$500.00, I would be getting one of the first ones off the boat for that as well ...... and I think a lot of people here would too.... after a few people gave reviews against their Axe III FX, Kemper, Helix, and Quad Cortex.
... and Music Group could bring it in at that price point too.
I'm just sayin ....
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