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Es ist verdammt unglaublich?How much is "pretty incredible?" I thought you were German.
Why aren't digital hum eliminators a thing?
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Sascha Franck
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I didn't measure it. But knowing how my system usually behaves, I can attest it's pretty incredible. And FFS, if you want exact numbers, install the plugin yourself and give it a testride.
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You don't need to measure it. All you need to know is how much you were able to increase the level in your system. Do you not have a level control labeled in dB available?
I have no use for plugins, nor any programs that can use them. And I know how to maximize gain before feedback with no help from AI.
Sascha Franck
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Thing is, you can have *more* gain with this plugin before running into feedback. As easy as that.
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Only when absolutely necessary or convenient.How much is "pretty incredible?" I thought you were German.
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i mean.. most of the times by altering my position in front of an amp i can remove most 60cycle hum with no real tonal penalty.
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Figured we eventually get some one making sense.
From my anything but limited everperience…I found that mostly I use/used more than gain then sensible when I need to start gating.
It was particularly nasty during the Axe-Fx days.
But there was a great work around, it’s a volume block triggered by envelope.
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Nope. Once GBF has been maximized - as i pointed out, I know how to do that with no help from AI - it cannot be increased beyond that point. If an app can increase your GBF, then, by definition, you have not maximized it.
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A gate by another name....
Sascha Franck
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Blabla.
So, then tell me how I can sit here with my mic causing all massive howling shit, then turn the plugin on and get no feedback at all anymore!
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That's too easy, You had to have had far too much gain for the mic, its position, aiming, room, etc., or your mic wouldn't be causing "massive howling shit." IOW, you had set your gain to more than the maximum GBF your system could produce. Given that, all an app would have had to do is reduce the gain. I'm not saying that's all your app did, but gain had to have been reduced in some frequency bands in order to suppress the feedback. That's basic physics, as you are fond of saying on occasion.
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You're talking nonsense. The app is not reducing gain. You haven't tried it. I have. So stop talking out of your ass.
And fwiw, why are you using the term "gain" anyway? "Gain" is usually used in connection with input gain. When you tell someone to raise the "gain" on a console, he'd typically reach for the input gain knob. But we're talking plain overall volume here. Sure, adjusting the gain is changing the overall volume as well, but it's misleading to use this term because you're typically not using the gain to adjust the overall volume - but a volume fader/knob.
But then, let's hope it's just semantics...
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jay mitchell
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No, that's you.
The only way to suppress feedback with only signal processing is to reduce system gain, possibly, but not necessarily, in a frequency-dependent way.
I know what I'm talking about. You clearly don't.
That is the correct term to use: more precisely, acoustic gain at the microphone: the SPL that sound from speaker produces at the microphone minus the SPL of the same, unamplified sound (for example, the sound of a voice) at the mic, (expressed in decibels, in case that isn't clear). Note that acoustic gain at the mic is invariably frequency-dependent. If the number at a given frequency is negative, then the system will be stable. IOW, it won't feed back at that frequency. If the number is positive, the system will be unstable and will feed back.
No. Gain is signal amplification and can occur at any point in a signal chain. Positive gain means that the signal at the output is stronger than the signal at the input. Negative gain (aka "attenuation") means the opposite.
When a system is set up by a competent practitioner, preamp gains are set so as to maximize S/N while avoiding clipping during sound check and then left alone for the duration of the event. If I tell a qualified audio technician to reduce sound system gain during commissioning/equalization of the system, (s)he will know not to "reach for the input knob."
See above. When feedback is under discussion (as it is here), we must consider acoustic gain. That you are utterly unfamiliar with the concept tells me everything I need to know. I suggest you give it a rest; you're in over your head here.
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Never said otherwise. But I’ll reiterate just in case…gating digital stuff to me is just weird.
I learned that when with approximately the same gain levels a modded JMP played much nicer when I needed to gate it then the Axe fx, that’s where the volume block thing came in.
And obviously I’m aware of it being literally a gate since all a gate does is automatically pull an imaginary fader down (when input falls below a set threshold).
As for 50/60 cycle hum.
And I’m sure you’re an old codger too…”find Mecca”.
And if it’s because of other reasons then single coils check for ground issues.
But those are more likely to manifest as whistling.
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Did you watch the video? Did you try the plugin? No. So stop talking out of your ass, FFS.
Your old conventional wisdom, while pretty welcomed often, might not apply this time.
Try the thing out before making further assumptions.
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Ok, but never in the history of ever has someone told FOH to turn the gain down when in reference to the main output volume. Otherwise carry on.
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I’ll be pedantic about it. Guessing it’s called gain staging for a reason…
And just because folks use the wrong term because marketing made it stick or worse forum culture really doesn’t make a point…
Tremol being vibrato on a guitar, vibrato being tremolo on a Fender amp, slaving being re-amping for just about every one.
And that’s before I get into the use of (broken) English in other languages.
Being a note or a bend in German is Bendings
Every time I hear that I wanna hurl something at the clown saying it.
Another one Ich gehe und spiel ne Session.
Translated, I go and play a Session.
No you’re not ! what you are doing is a jam at open mic.
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Yes I can turn 90 degrees to eliminate the hum
Yes I have full copper shielding in my single coil guitars
Yes I have noiseless pickups I swap in when I get tired of the hum
I still think there could be a really good digital hum eliminator for guitars. I mean 60 cycle hum is by definition a repeatable low frequency.
Yes I have full copper shielding in my single coil guitars
Yes I have noiseless pickups I swap in when I get tired of the hum
I still think there could be a really good digital hum eliminator for guitars. I mean 60 cycle hum is by definition a repeatable low frequency.
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