Who actually uses the tone knob?

[Chocol8]

It being such a cheap function to add should entice guitar manufacturers to have it.

What people want their overdrives to do on their high gain amps is 99% of the time bass cut to tighten it. Even slapping a pre-dialed pull pot function or switch to a metal guitar would do this really well.

Yeah, I can see why it wasn't done by Fender and Gibson in 1952, but these days it would make sense to include bass cutting controls on guitars AND better bass control on amps. So many of the Marshall circuit updates from 1968 into the 70's involved cutting excessive bass, but usually in a way the player can't control without a soldering iron. There is no real reason for that to be the case today.

 

[Chocol8]

Because large-value inductors are a lot more expensive and bulky than are small-value capacitors.

Yes, that's certainly why Leo Fender didn't include a passive bass cut on the Broadcaster, but with modern metal guitars often already having a battery and active electronics onboard, it wouldn't take a big copper coil anymore.

 

[Eagle]

Apparently that's not enough, then.

That's what a rejected lover always says.

what I said in the first place is just a fact, get over it.

 

[Sascha Franck]

what I said in the first place is just a fact

Don't belittle yourself, the correct statement needs to be:

anything I ever said is just a fact, get over it.

 

[jay mitchell]

but with modern metal guitars often already having a battery and active electronics onboard, it wouldn't take a big copper coil anymore.

What means "often?" I've seen a number of active basses in use, but substantially fewer active guitars. Are you saying that guitars with active electronics don't ever have tone controls that allow bass-cut shelving? I have neither knowledge of nor interest in that market segment, but I'm pretty sure it's a niche. BTW, what exactly is a "modern metal guitar?"

 

[jay mitchell]

what I said in the first place is just a fact the opinion of a self-appointed "authority," get over it don't challenge it.

FTFY.

 

[Eagle]

FTFY.

You mean you! If you’re not able to tell the difference that is down to you.

 

[Chocol8]

BTW, what exactly is a "modern metal guitar?"

Well, I am going to define that as "one with active pickups" so you can then replace "often" with "always unless the battery was removed and not replaced." Yes, I know that may be considered circular reasoning or a self serving choice of definition, but one thing I have learned from marriage is a winning argument doesn't need to be logically sound or even backed by facts, so I am sticking with it!

 

[LCW]

I’m finding I use it all the time now, especially with Marshall (2203) and Fender (Princeton) amps.

With the Recto not much. But that’s a different animal and style.

 

[jay mitchell]

You mean you! If you’re not able to tell the difference that is down to you.

It's really tiresome to see your OT posts expounding on nothing more than personal prejudices and opinions as if they are fact. If you wish to rant about modelers vs. amps, start a thread in the Gear Rants subforum.

 

[Eagle]

It's really tiresome to see your OT posts expounding on nothing more than personal prejudices and opinions as if they are fact. If you wish to rant about modelers vs. amps, start a thread in the Gear Rants subforum.

It not opinion it’s facts and it’s relevant.
Your BS is just that.

 

[Sascha Franck]

It not opinion it’s facts and it’s relevant.

No.
See, you certainly are a guy knowing some things, but your behaviour on other things is just utterly pathetic.

In this case, there's exactly ZERO reasons why a tone knob wouldn't work as well with a modeler as with an amp. The guitar circuit sees an analog 1mOhm input impedance and that was it.
Whether the modeled amp sounds and acts the same is an entirely different story and we all know your (partially stupid) takes on modelers by now, but trying to tell us the tone knob wouldn't work well with any modeler is one single thing: BS.

 

[Eagle]

No.
See, you certainly are a guy knowing some things, but your behaviour on other things is just utterly pathetic.

In this case, there's exactly ZERO reasons, why a tone knob wouldn't work as well with a modeler as with an amp. The guitar circuit sees an analog 1mOhm input impedance and that was it.
Whether the modeled amp sounds and acts the same is an entirely different story and we all know your (partially stupid) takes on modelers by now, but trying to tell us the tone knob wouldn't work well with any modeler is one single thing: BS.

I didn’t say tone knob I said the volume on a Strat reduced to 7 and I said the effect was diminished on a modeller which it is . This is a subtle change used by Eric Johnson and Scott Henderson to smooth out the tone with od . Maybe if you and the others saying this isn’t true first actually read what I said and tried it you would find the same. It’s a fact that modelling isn’t 100% with every nuance and this IS diminished.

 

[Sascha Franck]

I didn’t say tone knob I said the volume on a Strat reduced to 7 and I said the effect was diminished on a modeller which it is

Which is just the same amount of BS.

 

[Sascha Franck]

It’s a fact that modelling isn’t 100% with every nuance and this IS diminished.

No it's not. Which is a fact.

 

[Eagle]

No it's not. Which is a fact.

Have you forgotten what real amps are actually like.

 

[Sascha Franck]

Have you forgotten what real amps are actually like.

No.
But I'll let you in on a secret: The volume and tone circuits still behave the same. Both amps and modelers provide a 1mOhm analog input stage. That's all there is about it.
Just that you don't know how to deal with modelers doesn't change anything with that fact (and in this case it actually is a fact - unlike the unproven blurb you try to present as alternate facts).

 

[Eagle]

Think about the stupidity of your claim here. You are saying that modelling is 100% the same, nothing lost so no updates needed or next gen hardware ever needed to perfectly replicate analog 100% . Everything the same every nuance in the original article copied down to the quantum mechanics level by an algorithm that you can run in a pedal .
Sounds good and a perfectly reasonable solution yes but every nuance? Really?
The subtle effect of the volume on 7 is diminished that is all I said. Not missing, diminished. You sticking with your ridiculous narrative that the designers of gear don’t even claim?

 

[Sascha Franck]

Think about the stupidity of your claim here.

No need to do that. Look into a mirror, ffs.

You are saying that modelling is 100% the same,

I'm not.

The subtle effect of the volume on 7 is diminished

It's not.

 

[Eagle]

So if you accept modding is not 100% the same what’s missing and what is the effect of that on playing nuance?