What's the next Helix Stadium SKU you'd like to be released next?

[HotRats]

What would be the goal with HX FX Stadium? With the aircraft carrier footprint of OG Helix I get why folks needed a thing that was bigger than a Stomp, but smaller than a Helix for effects use. I'm not sure why you'd need that with these new form factors.

I belive HX FX came before stomp and had its place feature and price wise.

After stomp xl came out, maybe, that product made less sense.

What would be the goal of HX FX stadium?

Access to showcase (and whatever they'll add, like a nice looper) and the increased power/routing flexibility at a lower price point, with a unit made basically for those who play live with hybrid rigs.

Maybe that's just me be but I see a market for that and I don't even own an HX FX.

 

[Digital Igloo]

Showcase would make sense to be exclusive to higher end units, to justify the price.

Interestingly enough, the cost of adding Showcase is purely development. Okay, we might've included a slightly smaller/cheaper microSD card if there were no tracks to store, but that's pennies per unit.

But but but Ben Adrian says the most exciting thing is the new Augora(not-phobia) amp modeling because they'd always wanted to do more scientifically accurate things with their modeling. This despite alllllllllllll of the assertions that nobody could pick Helix from amp in properly controlled blind tests. This time they're REALLY measuring and modeling individual components...

I can't tell if its more or less exhausting hearing all that again (remember every video of Helix talking about how they modeled the light bulb in the univibe?) now that I'm pretty certain DI hasn't been lying about the blind test results all these years...

I'll tell you what I told Campeador over at The Other Place©:

"A sound someone believes is accurate is most often nowhere close to empirically accurate. Accuracy can be measured; one's perception of accuracy cannot. Also, best sound /= highest accuracy and vice versa."​

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And later:

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"Ten years ago, I'd wax poetic. It's a very different market these days (red ocean shark eyes on us this week) and we're erring on the side of obfuscation. Plus, I'm nowhere near as knowledgeable as Ben, Sam, or Brandon, and there's quite a bit of psychology, perception, audiology vs. tactile learning, and the art of listening involved, none of which concerns itself with passing null tests.​

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#ClearAsMud"​

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Yes, some HX models (not all, not most, some) are so close to the real thing, listeners can't tell when switching between it and the real thing takes place, mid playing. Yes, it's difficult to improve upon an audibly imperceptible delta (except for ensuring all models can boast the same, something we've never claimed).

Or CAN you improve upon it? What other intangibles, especially when dealing with tactile learning, perception, and feel, can be improved upon?

A/B/X listening and null tests only get you so far, unless the only thing you care about is accuracy.

 

[Boudoir Guitar]

I belive HX FX came before stomp and had its place feature and price wise.

After stomp xl came out, maybe, that product made less sense.

What would be the goal of HX FX stadium?Access to showcase (and whatever they'll add, like a nice looper) at a lower price point with a unit made for those who play live with hybrid rigs.

Maybe that's just me be but I see a market do that and I don't even own and HX FX.

Interestingly enough, the cost of adding Showcase is purely development. Okay, we might've included a slightly smaller/cheaper microSD card if there were no tracks to store, but that's pennies per unit.

I'll tell you what I told Campeador over at The Other Place©:

"A sound someone believes is accurate is most often nowhere close to empirically accurate. Accuracy can be measured; one's perception of accuracy cannot. Also, best sound /= highest accuracy and vice versa."​

​

And later:

​

"Ten years ago, I'd wax poetic. It's a very different market these days (red ocean shark eyes on us this week) and we're erring on the side of obfuscation. Plus, I'm nowhere near as knowledgeable as Ben, Sam, or Brandon, and there's quite a bit of psychology, perception, audiology vs. tactile learning, and the art of listening involved, none of which concerns itself with passing null tests.​

​

#ClearAsMud"​

​

Yes, some HX models (not all, not most, some) are so close to the real thing, listeners can't tell when switching between it and the real thing takes place, mid playing. Yes, it's difficult to improve upon an audibly imperceptible delta (except for ensuring all models can boast the same, something we've never claimed).

Or CAN you improve upon it? What other intangibles, especially when dealing with tactile learning, perception, and feel, can be improved upon?

A/B/X listening and null tests only get you so far, unless the only thing you care about is accuracy.

Quite honestly, one of the many things I don’t care about these days is objective accuracy.

 

[Lysander]

I'll tell you what I told Campeador over at The Other Place©:

Oh, that guy

 

[Karl Houseknecht]

Stomp. I want Agoura amp and cab blocks in a stomp format.

 

[Baba]

Stomp. I want Agoura amp and cab blocks in a stomp format.

I wonder if, judging by current Stomp vs Stomp XL use cases and price difference, they would just skip the Stomp this time and go right for the XL, or some smaller version Stadium?

I don't know the ratio, and I'm sure PLENTY of guys use the Stomp for amp modeling and not just for FX, but then there are plenty of guys that do use them JUST for FX, on their pedalboards, and/or with peripherals to get more footswitching options.

If the FX aren't ridiculously different or upgraded, maybe it's a good idea to just keep the legacy (smaller) products going?

 

[molul]

I wonder if, judging by current Stomp vs Stomp XL use cases and price difference, they would just skip the Stomp this time and go right for the XL, or some smaller version Stadium?

I don't know the ratio, and I'm sure PLENTY of guys use the Stomp for amp modeling and not just for FX, but then there are plenty of guys that do use them JUST for FX, on their pedalboards, and/or with peripherals to get more footswitching options.

If the FX aren't ridiculously different or upgraded, maybe it's a good idea to just keep the legacy (smaller) products going?

That's why I don't see a new HX Effects unit coming anytime soon.

I so much wonder how will Line6 approach the screen on a new Stomp.

 

[Baba]

I so much wonder how will Line6 approach the screen on a new Stomp.

That's a good question.

If we know Line 6 like we think we do, there will definitely be SOME kind of next gen/Stadium series product in the sub-$1,000 price point, or around it, but what does that look like? The most fun part about this, at least for me, is, that I have NO idea what that looks like, but you KNOW they will do it.

 

[Karl Houseknecht]

I wonder if, judging by current Stomp vs Stomp XL use cases and price difference, they would just skip the Stomp this time and go right for the XL, or some smaller version Stadium?

I don't know the ratio,

According to what I recall DI recently saying, the Stomp outsells the XL by a wide margin.

 

[ian_dissonance]

Editor -> Stompium -> Stadium GO

 

[Karl Houseknecht]

Editor

Won't there be an editor at launch? Or do you mean editing via USB as opposed to WiFi?

 

[Richard_G]

Stomp and Native.

 

[ian_dissonance]

Won't there be an editor at launch? Or do you mean editing via USB as opposed to WiFi?

Yeah, I wouldn’t want to WiFi into the thing if I’m using it for tracking. I’m not going to be an early adopter on this one anyways. About half the new functionality is redundant to things already in my rig and I’m not ready to try to flip $3k in gear to spend $4k, lol.

 

[GTR37]

Won't there be an editor at launch? Or do you mean editing via USB as opposed to WiFi?

No USB plug in editor at launch it will be wifi or app based I believe

 

[EOengineer]

Interestingly enough, the cost of adding Showcase is purely development. Okay, we might've included a slightly smaller/cheaper microSD card if there were no tracks to store, but that's pennies per unit.

I'll tell you what I told Campeador over at The Other Place©:

"A sound someone believes is accurate is most often nowhere close to empirically accurate. Accuracy can be measured; one's perception of accuracy cannot. Also, best sound /= highest accuracy and vice versa."​

​

And later:

​

"Ten years ago, I'd wax poetic. It's a very different market these days (red ocean shark eyes on us this week) and we're erring on the side of obfuscation. Plus, I'm nowhere near as knowledgeable as Ben, Sam, or Brandon, and there's quite a bit of psychology, perception, audiology vs. tactile learning, and the art of listening involved, none of which concerns itself with passing null tests.​

​

#ClearAsMud"​

​

Yes, some HX models (not all, not most, some) are so close to the real thing, listeners can't tell when switching between it and the real thing takes place, mid playing. Yes, it's difficult to improve upon an audibly imperceptible delta (except for ensuring all models can boast the same, something we've never claimed).

Or CAN you improve upon it? What other intangibles, especially when dealing with tactile learning, perception, and feel, can be improved upon?

A/B/X listening and null tests only get you so far, unless the only thing you care about is accuracy.

This reminds of something one of my old audio professors would constantly say:

“If you believe audio is just amplitude over time, you’re probably missing something.”

 

[molul]

Editor -> Stompium -> Stadium Native -> Stadium GO

FTFY

 

[Richard_G]

I sincerely hope "Stompium" never will be used - not even as a nickname. Sounds like a toy or a joke on a gear forum.

 

[Elric]

I probably have the most immediate use for the plugin, TBH. I'm unlikely to consider other hardware platforms unless Fractal were to announce specifics for a next generation... there's literally no incentive for me to consider something else until then, personally...

But I would immediately get a stadium plugin and put it to use. Use the HX Native all the time, here and there for small/quick stuff.

 

[molul]

If they call it Helix Stadium Stomp (and it would make total sense), rest assured it will be called "the Stompium" in places like this

 

[AlbertA]

If they call it Helix Stadium Stomp (and it would make total sense), rest assured it will be called "the Stompium" in places like this

Helix Stampede