What's preventing you from getting a Helix Stadium (if you really want to buy it eventually)?

[Chocol8]

Such ridiculous energy in this thread for totally fair views and comments whether you agree with them or not. Don’t take it too seriously.

Its not whether or not we agree. People here disagree all the time. The problem is your "totally fair" views are not. They are uninformed trolling from a loud mouth who hasn't even touched the gear he is trolling about.

Strong opinions about gear you have no experience with are completely welcome over at TGP, but with few exceptions, the people here actually play guitar and we try gear before bashing it or praising it. It makes things much more informative. Now that we all know you are a troll and a fraud, why would we trust your opinions on anything when there is a good chance your opinion is not backed up by any real experience?

So, don't take this too seriously or too personally, but this is not the forum you are looking for. The place for you is called The Gear PAGE not The Gear Forum.

 

[Boudoir Guitar]

To help focus and clarify comments and discussions in this thread, I think the OP should change the Thread Title:-

"Why are you not going to, or not buy a not Axe 4 on its release when it doesn't have the fully mature modeling and efx that you want but don't not need at the time of purchase that will make you possibly feel or not, or maybe satisfied about your potential purchase you are committed to thinking about buying on Day 1, that will not or will not, not, be retuned or otherwise complained about on various forums in the event that you decide to definitely not buy or that you buy, knowing it will be not good enough but still don't, or do, subconsciously in-definitively proceed to a non-conclusion"

Discuss

the whataboutism is dumb. People keep bringing up axe II to axe III as some reasonable point of comparison. As if nobody remembers just how shit the axe Fx II screen and user interface were. Truly shit, hot garbage. We won’t even talk about the Ax8. The vast majority of hardcore Fractal users had reason to upgrade JUST for the screen improvement.

Helix is already super great in terms of hardware and UI and functionality. It’s not that surprising there are more folks looking at the new gen there and saying “actually, I’m okay on the OG”.

The Axe IV will likely be near or at $3k. There is no way they can improve the UI to the point that the bulk of threads on it don’t immediately turn into “three grand and it’s still like programming a VCR from 1987?!?!?”

And at that price point it’s going to be a special subset of fractal fanbois that are willing AND able to make the upgrade immediately.

 

[Chocol8]

It’s not that surprising there are more folks looking at the new gen there and saying “actually, I’m okay on the OG”.

Thats always going to be the case with a new gen. But, since it is generally sold out and there are not many used or returned units sitting for sale, can you acknowledge that there just might be plenty of players who do see value in it, and do think its worth the price? You don't think they are all fools throwing their money away right? The Stadium already does things the OG doesn't and those things might make a bugger difference for someone with a different use case than you. And its only going to keep getting better.

 

[Boudoir Guitar]

Thats always going to be the case with a new gen. But, since it is generally sold out and there are not many used or returned units sitting for sale, can you acknowledge that there just might be plenty of players who do see value in it, and do think its worth the price? You don't think they are all fools throwing their money away right? The Stadium already does things the OG doesn't and those things might make a bugger difference for someone with a different use case than you. And it’s only going to keep getting better.

Not to the same extent. AxeFx II sounded great but otherwise was pretty awful. AxeFx III improved the worst parts of it - screen, stupidly big foot switch, UI (note I said “improved” not “fixed”). Improving a product specifically in the places that even its biggest fans agreed sucked is going to lead to a lot more folks willing/wanting to upgrade.

Improving a product in areas where it was already really good…might not be so compelling.

It’s almost like each product requires its own fact-based analysis instead of generalized “but Fractal did it too!!!”

 

[Chocol8]

It’s almost like each product requires its own fact-based analysis

So you are saying you don't think Stadium improved anything from regular helix or added anything new after a fact based analysis?

 

[Boudoir Guitar]

So you are saying you don't think Stadium improved anything from regular helix or added anything new after a fact based analysis?

I’m certainly not saying that. Are you? I think I’ve been clear that I think Stadium is impressive, if not something I want to buy.

 

[timbuck3]

I have been binge watching the TV show landman as of late. To me, that show is freaking fabulous.

Are you serious? The worst Sheridan series ever. The women in that show are pathetic and unrealistic and Tommy’s kid is a slow poor actor. Demi moores plastic Botox face is hard to look at and the main guy acts the same character in every movie he is in. Even his t-mobile commercials have him acting the same.
Sorry but lioness and mayor of Kingstown are a million times more interesting

 

[Boudoir Guitar]

Are you serious? The worst Sheridan series ever. The women in that show are pathetic and unrealistic and Tommy’s kid is a slow poor actor. Demi moores plastic Botox face is hard to look at and the main guy acts the same character in every movie he is in. Even his t-mobile commercials have him acting the same.
Sorry but lioness and mayor of Kingstown are a million times more interesting

On hot tubs and the shittiness of Landman, we agree.

 

[Chocol8]

I think Stadium did address some weak points as well as build off of their strengths. It has a ways to go, but I think it is in a pretty good spot for a flagship device. Fractal is going to have to make major leaps in UI/UE and also keep the price of the next gen down IMHO, because I think as Agora and Proxy mature, the ability to out compete Stadium (And QC) on tones and feel will shrink if not disappear.

 

[Mongillo19]

On hot tubs and the shittiness of Landman, we agree.

Unfortunately Tim just seems to hate on the women and their looks when he has problems with a show

 

[riffy]

Are you serious? The worst Sheridan series ever. The women in that show are pathetic and unrealistic and Tommy’s kid is a slow poor actor. Demi moores plastic Botox face is hard to look at and the main guy acts the same character in every movie he is in. Even his t-mobile commercials have him acting the same.
Sorry but lioness and mayor of Kingstown are a million times more interesting

Nope, I am not kidding. I absolutely love it. Plus, it helps that I know Ali Larter personally.

 

[mikah912]

Not to the same extent. AxeFx II sounded great but otherwise was pretty awful. AxeFx III improved the worst parts of it - screen, stupidly big foot switch, UI (note I said “improved” not “fixed”). Improving a product specifically in the places that even its biggest fans agreed sucked is going to lead to a lot more folks willing/wanting to upgrade.

Improving a product in areas where it was already really good…might not be so compelling.

It’s almost like each product requires its own fact-based analysis instead of generalized “but Fractal did it too!!!”

To clarify, these are just some of the areas of significant improvement from Helix where it was NOT "already really good" to Stadium:

• Factory presets. Now all with scenes, descriptions and plenty of supporting info.
• Clips. Now you know exactly what a factory preset is supposed to sound like.
• Focus View. Helps demystify their large catalog of content as well as showing how useful forgotten legacy content is. Also gives you starting points with amps in any setting.
• Allows for 50 percent more blocks on any given line, and also allows multiple parallels/merges for greatly increased flexibility.
• Combines amp channels for most amps into a single block to save on efficiency in a single preset and signal chain real estate.

Exactly like Axe-FX II -> III. Tons of usability improvements in the beginning, and a handful of content changes to start with.

 

[Boudoir Guitar]

I think Stadium did address some weak points as well as build off of their strengths. It has a ways to go, but I think it is in a pretty good spot for a flagship device. Fractal is going to have to make major leaps in UI/UE and also keep the price of the next gen down IMHO, because I think as Agora and Proxy mature, the ability to out compete Stadium (And QC) on tones and feel will shrink if not disappear.

To clarify, these are just some of the areas of significant improvement from Helix where it was NOT "already really good" to Stadium:

• Factory presets. Now all with scenes, descriptions and plenty of supporting info.
• Clips. Now you know exactly what a factory preset is supposed to sound like.
• Focus View. Helps demystify their large catalog of content as well as showing how useful forgotten legacy content is. Also gives you starting points with amps in any setting.
• Allows for 50 percent more blocks on any given line, and also allows multiple parallels/merges for greatly increased flexibility.
• Combines amp channels for most amps into a single block to save on efficiency in a single preset and signal chain real estate.

Exactly like Axe-FX II -> III. Tons of usability improvements in the beginning, and a handful of content changes to start with.

Meh, of course you can granulated it down to “the Helix didn’t have this so it’s an improvement on a weakness”.

Anyone that cares what the presets sound like on - $2k modeler probably thinks Landman is great television.

 

[mikah912]

Meh, of course you can granulated it down to “the Helix didn’t have this so it’s an improvement on a weakness”.

Anyone that cares what the presets sound like on - $2k modeler probably thinks Landman is great television.

 

[Boudoir Guitar]

Trying to compare any of those improvements to the improvement of a literal dogshit green screen to a big color screen is never going to do anything but prove the point that whataboutism is dumb.

 

[dean701]

tension breaker. had to be done. (found this while I was looking for a banana stand gif) I kind of like it. It's been up on a dedicated window for hours.

 

[Boudoir Guitar]

tension breaker. had to be done. (found this while I was looking for a banana stand gif) I kind of like it. It's been up on a dedicated window for hours.

Stay on topic bruv

 

[dean701]

Stay on topic bruv

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Is bringing up Landman being on topic? :)
Regardless, after reading the sound lashings of the last 2 pages, I thought I would just remind us all what's really important. BANANAS

I'll show myself out

 

[ChordInversion]

I have no doubt that Line6 has an enormous hit on their hands, by the way. It's a really cool new product, and I am sure they'll maintain a leadership position in modeling.

 

[Boudoir Guitar]

Is bringing up Landman being on topic? :)
Regardless, after reading the sound lashings of the last 2 pages, I thought I would just remind us all what's really important. BANANAS