What is the most complex tube amp ever made?

Ed DeGenaro said:
Thing is that a VH4 is 2800€ in Germany, VHX is 3400.
90s Recto here is 4200.

Jus’ sayin’
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With Gibson ownership they could fix the huge price differential and the appalling support everyone outside the US has to deal with. When I was gigging a Triaxis that developed a minor issue they quoted 6 months and said I should have a spare. I pointed out that they cost double in the uk so they may want to give me one seeing as I had already paid .
 
Eagle said:
With Gibson ownership they could fix the huge price differential and the appalling support everyone outside the US has to deal with. When I was gigging a Triaxis that developed a minor issue they quoted 6 months and said I should have a spare. I pointed out that they cost double in the uk so they may want to give me one seeing as I had already paid .
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If I lived in Europe I’d be playing Engls and Mezza Barba amps all day. That’s the Peavey and Mesa/Boogie of the east side of the Atlantic, right?
 
Desertdweller said:
If I lived in Europe I’d be playing Engls and Mezza Barba amps all day. That’s the Peavey and Mesa/Boogie of the east side of the Atlantic, right?
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No. Engl is way better than PV and Diezel is way nicer than Mesa. Remember 240v versions are not the same as 110v ones .
 
Eagle said:
No. Engl is way better than PV and Diezel is way nicer than Mesa. Remember 240v versions are not the same as 110v ones .
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Nahhhh.

Best thing Diezel has going for it is the price. But I’d take the least popular revision of Recto over the most desirable VH4. Recto is just more of a useful sound, it’s easy to make it more compressed but you can’t undo the compression and fuzz that a diezel has. And I’d take a JSX/XXX/5150/VTM120 over any ENGL. ENGL’s for the most part have puny transformers, at least Peavey get those right.
 
MirrorProfiles said:
Nahhhh.

Best thing Diezel has going for it is the price. But I’d take the least popular revision of Recto over the most desirable VH4. Recto is just more of a useful sound, it’s easy to make it more compressed but you can’t undo the compression and fuzz that a diezel has. And I’d take a JSX/XXX/5150/VTM120 over any ENGL. ENGL’s for the most part have puny transformers, at least Peavey get those right.
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I have fond memories of playing a JSX. I do remember shooting out a JSX up against a first gen EVH 5150 III in 2009 or 2010 or so. The EVH was a dryer, more immediate sound, while the JSX had a little more of that Soldano / Recto vibe going on with it. Both are great amps.
 
MirrorProfiles said:
Nahhhh.

Best thing Diezel has going for it is the price. But I’d take the least popular revision of Recto over the most desirable VH4. Recto is just more of a useful sound, it’s easy to make it more compressed but you can’t undo the compression and fuzz that a diezel has. And I’d take a JSX/XXX/5150/VTM120 over any ENGL. ENGL’s for the most part have puny transformers, at least Peavey get those right.
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Deaf as a post then.🤣
 
Eagle said:
Deaf as a post then.🤣
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who is? There’s no shortage of albums using Mesa and Peavey amps, absolute staples in recording studios around the world. Most studios and engineers I know with VH4’s say they mostly use them to blend with other amps. ENGL’s can sound OK, but have a kind of digital feel to them that I don’t always dig.
 
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MirrorProfiles said:
who is? There’s no shortage of albums using Mesa and Peavey amps, absolute staples in recording studios around the world. Most studios and engineers I know with VH4’s say they mostly use them to blend with other amps. ENGL’s can sound OK, but have a kind of digital feel to them that I don’t always dig.
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Metallica’s tone went downhill when they started using them. The only dude who’s tone is kinda cool with Diezel is Adam Jones, and he blends it.
 
MirrorProfiles said:
Most studios and engineers I know with VH4’s say they mostly use them to blend with other amps.
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I can understand why, considering the VH4 fluff/fart color. But that's a quality I like about these amps, enough so not to think of blending them with something else.
 
Dimiguitar said:
I can understand why, considering the VH4 fluff/fart color. But that's a quality I like about these amps, enough so not to think of blending them with something else.
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Different power tubes make a huge difference in the VH4 I personally massively prefer the EL34 versions.
 
Eagle said:
Different power tubes make a huge difference in the VH4 I personally massively prefer the EL34 versions.
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Same here. Also the VH4 is very much a product of its influences, hotrodded 80s tones.
Literally a UltraLead pre into a JMP output with 34s.

As a side note a couple of years back I went to see some friends play a big outdoor show here, it was a day of dreadful tones, Purple, UFO had atrocious tones, the Hooters had ok tone with their Kemper’s,

Literally the only band with great guitar tone was Saga with their guy playing a VH4.
 
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