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Yeah I had to do that as well. I ended up beating them on my first try after I looked up the tips. I hate using tools so it's weird whenever I have to use them.
I like using the tools but the mechanic for replenishing them is the worst. If you run out of the shard things you need to go grind for them before trying again. It's just a waste of time. Similar to Sekiro in that it discourages the use of tools.
 
I like using the tools but the mechanic for replenishing them is the worst. If you run out of the shard things you need to go grind for them before trying again. It's just a waste of time. Similar to Sekiro in that it discourages the use of tools.

I finally got the second pale oil, boy that was a pain. I remembered the strat for the delicate flower from HK so it only took 3-4 runs but still stressful lol
 
I don't like the tools aspect either, but then I didn't like using soul magic or whatever it was called in HK lol

Soul is super OP especially with upgrades. It's painful watching newbie runs sometimes because they try to nail attack bosses exclusively but at base power magic attacks are 3x stronger.

What I really like about soul magic is you have to balance power attacks against healing. With tools it's a different economy. I dunno, it's a lot less elegant I suppose.
 
Soul is super OP especially with upgrades. It's painful watching newbie runs sometimes because they try to nail attack bosses exclusively but at base power magic attacks are 3x stronger.

What I really like about soul magic is you have to balance power attacks against healing. With tools it's a different economy. I dunno, it's a lot less elegant I suppose.
I do not like having to press ^+R, that's for sure, especially in a very fast paced boss fight.
 
I do not like having to press ^+R, that's for sure, especially in a very fast paced boss fight.
This x100. The control scheme sucks IMO, and had a lot to do with my quitting.

The range of positions (angles) that register as “up” or “down” should be increased IMO. I finally decided, even if I eventually get good enough at this game, I’m not convinced my controller ever will be.
 
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