Tone X Capture Thread

good grief. just read a few pages into that gearspace thread and have to say the description yeky83 gave re: gaslighting etc is no exaggeration. He was being generous keeping the description confined to that.

the rep needs to learn when to recognize reality and leave 'spin' to politicians. The fanboy's day job is probably working as a rep for a politician.
 
I keep applying for these fanboy positions but it’s always immediate rejection. Now I can see I need to up my gaslighting skills.
 
Does anybody know what's the max input level for reamping for most tube amps (amp input max)? If I use @MirrorProfiles sheet calculating based on my measured sine wave voltage, I will hit my amp with a max of 5,06v if the reamp signal is maxed at 0dBFS (Tonex' uses a pretty compressed test signal compared to a normal DI guitar signal). Captures sound pretty good, but I was wondering if it's possible to damage my amp.
 
MirrorProfiles said:
Yep, and the same goes for Amplitube which also has no real concrete information on what input levels to use for an accurate response. We're in 2023 and they still want us to guess this stuff (despite IK advertising accurate gain levels as a defining feature of their products).


This is what IK advises but everyone is using different pickups, hits the strings with a different ideas of what picking hard is and have pickups at all kinds of distances. I can just about clip a 14dBu input, but for some people 7dBu (or less) is fine. 12dBu seems to be a good ballpark for IK's levels, aside from the fact that some of their own devices have a value of -6dBu. It works well for individual setups and can result in pretty accurately gain matched models, but as soon as someone else tries them it goes out the window. Measuring and providing numbers gives repeatability and consistency for everyone.

I stumbled on this thread with some contributions from @yeky83 talking about the incredibly weak reamp signal level - how he managed to remain calm when dealing with such a condescending tone from others in there is beyond me. He was the only one talking in facts, using specified values and backing up what he was saying. Absolutely staggering way to be talked to from a company representative.

https://gearspace.com/board/product-alerts-older-than-2-months/1246236-ik-multimedia-unveils-axe-i-o-premium-audio-interface-7.html
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Fuck a duck. I can't believe how stupid some people are.
 
Duck No GIF by alexchocron
 
paisleywookiee said:
Meant to say I’m also curious if this makes things easier. I’m having a helluva time with it.
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Thanks for mentioning that, actually. Would you mind describing what you are running into?

I’m wanting to get started and I get the signal flow and understand the routing - I’m concerned about getting and maintaining proper levels throughout the process, especially at the reamping stage where I think things are going awry for some people.

Was hoping the IK hardware solves for these types of issues.
 
EOengineer said:
Thanks for mentioning that, actually. Would you mind describing what you are running into?

I’m wanting to get started and I get the signal flow and understand the routing - I’m concerned about getting and maintaining proper levels throughout the process, especially at the reamping stage where I think things are going awry for some people.

Was hoping the IK hardware solves for these types of issues.
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UA Volt 476 for the interface, out of output 3 into a blue Radial Reamp box. Sometimes it works well, other times not so much. Weirdly, my Badlander almost always turns out well, while my Orange OR15 has been elusive.
 
paisleywookiee said:
UA Volt 476 for the interface, out of output 3 into a blue Radial Reamp box. Sometimes it works well, other times not so much. Weirdly, my Badlander almost always turns out well, while my Orange OR15 has been elusive.
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That seems really weird, but I don't have enough capture experience to say that with confidence. I'm surprised you'd run into issues especiailly since you have the reamp box. Direct or mic and cab captures? I know I've seen some OR15 captures so it certainly seems like a capturable amp. I wonder what the issue is.

I just pulled the trigger on a demo IK Tonex Capture reamp box for cheap so we will see how this goes. I guess we're going to be fighting the good fight.

Edit: actually - don’t need the capture hardware, just swapped for the Axe IO One because I need the reamping capability and their variable z control looks useful. I’ve never really liked the instrument inputs on my Scarlett 2i2.
 
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I captured through an AXE III (for the IR) and a Komplete Audio 6 interface. The trick for me was never clipping any one part in the signal chain between the AXE, KA and Tonex. Just using the meters on all these devices, I would adjust every signal down to just before it would hit red on any of them. Took a bit of trial and error but following that guideline, my captures come out consistently sounding great for every amp.
 
So I set up a small experiment and created my first capture - my Ceriatone 2204 using a middle of the road crunch tone through my 1x12 oversized cab with an EVM12L, direct captured through my Captor so you get authentic cabinet impedance interaction. Use your preferred IR - I recommend something with Greenbacks or 75watt celestions but you do you.

Don't eat me alive, I don't know what I'm doing yet. :bag

I do plan on eventually following up with captures at the same settings but with my 1960 connected, and one using just the Captor - I think it might be a fun experiment to see what impact those impedance curve changes have on the captures.

www.tone.net

Ceriatone 2204 Crunch Direct V1

Direct Capture of a crunchy late 70s spec 2204 w/bright cap
www.tone.net www.tone.net
 
EOengineer said:
So I set up a small experiment and created my first capture - my Ceriatone 2204 using a middle of the road crunch tone through my 1x12 oversized cab with an EVM12L, direct captured through my Captor so you get authentic cabinet impedance interaction. Use your preferred IR - I recommend something with Greenbacks or 75watt celestions but you do you.

Don't eat me alive, I don't know what I'm doing yet. :bag

I do plan on eventually following up with captures at the same settings but with my 1960 connected, and one using just the Captor - I think it might be a fun experiment to see what impact those impedance curve changes have on the captures.

www.tone.net

Ceriatone 2204 Crunch Direct V1

Direct Capture of a crunchy late 70s spec 2204 w/bright cap
www.tone.net www.tone.net
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I’ll check it out when I get home! Is this with their capture box?
 
paisleywookiee said:
I’ll check it out when I get home! Is this with their capture box?
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The Axe IO One isn’t here yet. I used my Helix floor to get instrument level to the amp and I had a Captor between the amp and cab so there’s a real impedance curve there.

I’d like to try another where I push the amp master a bit more.
 
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