The 'Preset per song' trap. Yuck.

[ragingplatypi]

I have a similar fuss that I want to have the feedbacker on my Helix handy for whenever the moment strikes, but it’s such a DSP hog that I have to make a separate preset and think ahead, and, and, and waah it hurts to think.

 

[JiveTurkey]

I have a similar fuss that I want to have the feedbacker on my Helix handy for whenever the moment strikes, but it’s such a DSP hog that I have to make a separate preset and think ahead, and, and, and waah it hurts to think.

Thinking is highly overrated.

 

[metropolis_4]

I’m playing a thing with another guitarist right now. He’s using an SY1000 and GK for acoustic parts and I’m just using a Strat in position 4 for my acoustic parts (long story).

I’ve actually been really surprised how similar the two sound once you get in a loud band mix and add stuff like chorus and reverb. I can barely tell the difference.

We’re doing harmonized nylon string acoustic lines and my Strat + Plexi is blending perfectly with his SY nylon acoustic model

 

[JiveTurkey]

I’m playing a thing with another guitarist right now. He’s using an SY1000 and GK for acoustic parts and I’m just using a Strat in position 4 for my acoustic parts (long story).

I’ve actually been really surprised how similar the two sound once you get in a loud band mix and add stuff like chorus and reverb. I can barely tell the difference.

We’re doing harmonized nylon string acoustic lines and my Strat + Plexi is blending perfectly with his SY nylon acoustic model

SY acoustics are REALLY good imo. At least to someone like myself with zero experience with anything in that segment? I have an SY1000 but it's huge and I would need the GK converter to use it for this one song. So obviously spending $799 on a new box makes more sense

 

[Orvillain]

Why are you liking this approach, better?

I can make on the fly decisions, in the heat of the moment. I can quickly bend down and just change a thing. When I'm writing I can more easily explore sounds and combinations of pedals and amp tones, and get inspired.

It helps me remove a load of nonsense real-life pragmatic/workflow issues that otherwise would prevent me from just making progress.

 

[mbenigni]

Then I try whatever it is and realize an acoustic guitar sim through a pair of V30s DOES NOT translate, like, at all. Or we dop the one song we try the acoustic with and the whole 'experiment' is rendered useless. I should dig into the FM whatever and see if I can fake an acoustic.

You'd need to run your acoustic preset to a FR or straight to the PA (which is going to complicate your set up and sound check a bit.) I've found that pos. 4 on a Strat into a good clean amp tone is a nice substitute for acoustic. More pleasant to my ears than piezos or most acoustic sims. FWIW...

 

[mbenigni]

I’m just using a Strat in position 4 for my acoustic parts (long story).

Just caught up with this. Great minds LOL.

 

[JiveTurkey]

There's No Position 4 On A Flying V™

 

[mbenigni]

There's No Position 4 On A Flying V™

 

[JiveTurkey]

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Already part of my 'luthier' toolkit!

 

[AFKAEjay(retired)]

Shania

I actually did a television shoot with her at the time that “still the one” climbed in the charts.
Pre “audio over internet”, it was a last minute call, so I learned the tune from a recording on my answering machine. It was playback (she was live)…but I still had to learn it. No one in the “band” had ever heard of her back then.

 

[JiveTurkey]

I actually did a television shoot with her at the time that “still the one” climbed in the charts.
Pre “audio over internet”, it was a last minute call, so I learned the tune from a recording on my answering machine. It was playback (she was live)…but I still had to learn it. No one in the “band” had ever heard of her back then.

That's awesome! We do "Feel LIke A Woman" and "Any Man Of Mine". I petitioned for "Don't Impress Me Much" but it got veto'd

 

[AFKAEjay(retired)]

That's awesome! We do "Feel LIke A Woman" and "Any Man Of Mine". I petitioned for "Don't Impress Me Much" but it got veto'd

Idnk “any man of mine”…probably from after my coverband days. The other 2..it’s been 2 decades…but i can probably still pull them off…including the weee choreography with the singer

 

[ragingplatypi]

Thinking is highly overrated.

This is why we play guitar.

 

[JiveTurkey]

On a synth block note; I also gave this preset a go from Admin Matt and it is a blast \m/

 

[Boudoir Guitar]

I’m playing a thing with another guitarist right now. He’s using an SY1000 and GK for acoustic parts and I’m just using a Strat in position 4 for my acoustic parts (long story).

I’ve actually been really surprised how similar the two sound once you get in a loud band mix and add stuff like chorus and reverb. I can barely tell the difference.

We’re doing harmonized nylon string acoustic lines and my Strat + Plexi is blending perfectly with his SY nylon acoustic model

Yeah, at the end of the day, I find all the “not an acoustic guitar but trying to sound like one” are all good enough for a band mix given that in that context the thing that makes an actual acoustic guitar with most pickup systems sound “more like an acoustic guitar” is the fact that it LOOKS like an acoustic guitar, not that it sounds much more real.

 

[metropolis_4]

SY acoustics are REALLY good imo. At least to someone like myself with zero experience with anything in that segment? I have an SY1000 but it's huge and I would need the GK converter to use it for this one song. So obviously spending $799 on a new box makes more sense

I actually didn’t see the VG-800 until just now. I’d been wishing they would make exactly that device for a while now. Now I’m tempted to jump back into that world

Yeah, at the end of the day, I find all the “not an acoustic guitar but trying to sound like one” are all good enough for a band mix given that in that context the thing that makes an actual acoustic guitar with most pickup systems sound “more like an acoustic guitar” is the fact that it LOOKS like an acoustic guitar, not that it sounds much more real.

Yeah, there are definitely times when it’s got to be a real acoustic. But for a lot of live work once it gets processed and blended with a band it doesn’t really matter. As long as it reads in the house nobody cares.

Once in a pit my steel string acoustic went out on me and I grabbed my Strat to cover the part. The FOH sound tech didn’t even notice, haha

 

[JiveTurkey]

I actually didn’t see the VG-800 until just now. I’d been wishing they would make exactly that device for a while now. Now I’m tempted to jump back into that world



Yeah, there are definitely times when it’s got to be a real acoustic. But for a lot of live work once it gets processed and blended with a band it doesn’t really matter. As long as it reads in the house nobody cares.

Once in a pit my steel string acoustic went out on me and I grabbed my Strat to cover the part. The FOH sound tech didn’t even notice, haha

I wanted a SY800 with just the synth stuff, not the VG. I could probably have some fun with it nonetheless though I am sure. Not sure if they'll ever get the SY800 out or if it makes any sense for them.

 

[Boudoir Guitar]

I actually didn’t see the VG-800 until just now. I’d been wishing they would make exactly that device for a while now. Now I’m tempted to jump back into that world



Yeah, there are definitely times when it’s got to be a real acoustic. But for a lot of live work once it gets processed and blended with a band it doesn’t really matter. As long as it reads in the house nobody cares.

Once in a pit my steel string acoustic went out on me and I grabbed my Strat to cover the part. The FOH sound tech didn’t even notice, haha

my point is more that MOST real acoustics, in a live setting, don’t sound any more “real” and often less real than the various ways to fake it with a solid body.

 

[DrewJD82]

I, in heat, can quickly bend down and get inspired.

It helps me remove a load.

Removed all the filler words for you.