The 'Preset per song' trap. Yuck.

JiveTurkey said:
This is my current FM9 layout. Expression pedal engages the synth. 1 & 3 are scene toggles and rest are either basic fx on/off or control switches for oddball functions. The Special FX switch currently engages flanger in one instance but would be what I would toggle different things (such as the bag pipes) on these per song one-offs.
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Look at that one No Function switch just sitting there wishing it had something useful to contribute!

Make the bagpipes sound a preset, then make that switch select that preset on tap and toggle back to the previous preset on 2nd tap. Then it would be just like turning an effect on/off with that switch
 
metropolis_4 said:
Look at that one No Function switch just sitting there wishing it had something useful to contribute!

Make the bagpipes sound a preset, then make that switch select that preset on tap and toggle back to the previous preset on 2nd tap. Then it would be just like turning an effect on/off with that switch
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It's this guy right here. Great suggestion. Thank you sir!
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AFKAEjay(retired) said:
That would be kitchen sinks with scenes and a few stomps right?
Add a few expression pedals for wet/dry, maybe pre gain
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Not necessarily..... In fact, to some extent scenes and snapshots are just compounding the problem: more non-musical stuff to manage.

I'm just amplifying JT's frustration to point out that modelers have converged on the preset concept. It's such a ubiquitous, well-established design point that it's hard to say what would replace it. But it's not hard to see the problems with presets....

Somebody needs to question all that, and get back to designing for musicians and the way they use their gear. [I'll stop there, because no one is paying me to do that work, and because if I go any further I'll violate my self-imposed ban on using the term "UX" in a guitar forum...]
 
JiveTurkey said:
Decided to add an old country song (the first mistake) to the setlist that requires a bagpipe section in the intro. With the help of an old thread on the FAS forum; I got a bagpipe drone in D going with a swiftness.

Which brought me to the thread title. I HATE managing multiple presets. I don't even do a kitchen sink; I just create what I would do with a real amp and some pre and post FX as needed and call it good for the whole night with that. Now I'm going to have to blow up my footswitch config and enable switch between presets and blahblahblah. I feel like once you go down that rabbit hole; you are screwed. Way too much time curating a bunch of nonsense.
:cuss



This probably belongs in the 'Not Worth It's Own Thread'...thread :ROFLMAO:
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This bagpipe clip is awesome!
 
aerial7 said:
Not necessarily..... In fact, to some extent scenes and snapshots are just compounding the problem: more non-musical stuff to manage.
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What makes you think so?

To me, the whole “preset problem” lies in the fact that you switch “everything” with a preset…and it’s impossible to (for example) keep amp/cab/verb consistent across your sounds. Copy pasting works…but a quick tweak becomes nearly impossible. Some offer global blocks…to complicated for me.
For me, preset based comes with less quick edit ability at the gig, volume differences if you use a lot of them, etc.

For me scenes together with stomp switches fixes that. At least in the QC, and I assume helix/fractal/tmp can do the same. Very simular to (what I was used to), a 2 channel amp in 4cm with a multi efx.
Scenes switch my amps/gain stages, stomps pedals. To me that’s like what I would do with an analog rig. Bonus with scenes is that I can change parameters of “pedals in my rig also” per scene.
Has been the easiest and most maintaince free setup (dial knobs wise) I ever used. Select scene…dial/switch on what you want…done.

1 preset is all I use, super easy to do quick adjustments at soundcheck. I don’t do the typical cover and thing anymore…but it’s more capable then the setups I used back then.
 
My 2 cents apart from "awesome": stick with a kitchen sink preset and sensible switching that best serves that preset for 95% of what you do. Something way left-of-center that you won't need to level-balance against your guitar tones anyway can be safely relegated to its own preset, to prevent your main preset from getting too cluttered. (If "faux bagpipe with drones" doesn't apply as that left-of-center preset, than I don't know what does.)

Yes, you'll need some means of switching presets as a result, but it doesn't matter if it's slightly unweildy, since you'll only be doing it once or twice during your set, and you'll know exactly when.
 
aerial7 said:
It's such a ubiquitous, well-established design point that it's hard to say what would replace it.
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For a lot of us, Scenes/ Snapshots did. But, as evidenced here, that's not always the best solution, either. (Just usually LOL...)
 
I'm not against it for original music. For cover bands with 60+ songs, fugedaboudit.

I've always thought about using spillover on helix and creating control switches to jump between curated presets, but I've never been in such a musical situation to need that.
 
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