The 'Preset per song' trap. Yuck.

[Baba]

If you just left that godforsaken band, you wouldn’t even need to have a bagpipe sound in the first place

 

[Boudoir Guitar]

If you just left that godforsaken band, you wouldn’t even need to have a bagpipe sound in the first place

And no money to buy gear that can make a guitar sound like bagpipe either! Win-win?

 

[JiveTurkey]

And no money to buy gear that can make a guitar sound like bagpipe either! Win-win?

Lose-lose!

 

[JiveTurkey]

I haven't even posted about thinking about a VG800 so I can have acoustic sounds.

 

[Baba]

I haven't even posted about thinking about a VG800 so I can have acoustic sounds.

Honestly, I’m just jealous that you have problems to solve. I’m dying over here. I have the perfect rig, and no gigs, so I REALLY don’t need anything.

Oh, and I owe the IRS $5k

 

[JiveTurkey]

Honestly, I’m just jealous that you have problems to solve. I’m dying over here. I have the perfect rig, and no gigs, so I REALLY don’t need anything.

Oh, and I owe the IRS $5k

Time for that custom $5k PRS "writeoff"

 

[Boudoir Guitar]

Time for that custom $5k PRS "writeoff"

Can I get your accountant's number, please?

 

[spawnofthesith]

Yo that bagpipe clip fucks like a stallion how you do that??!?


Imma bout ready to break my fractal ban just to get that tone and be as obnoxious af to my band aT every opportunity, we seriously lack in Celtic jams

 

[FuzzyAce]

Oh shit, I didn't even listen to your clip @JiveTurkey .
Told you I didn't make it past the word bagpipe! But it actually passes as one, and less harsh even.

 

[riffy]

JT, you are one talented man!

 

[laxu]

We do everything from Shania to KC to Tone Loc to Neil Diamond to Iron Maiden (once in a great while). I just use the JVM for everything

That sounds like a helluva good time to be honest.

 

[laxu]

Not necessarily..... In fact, to some extent scenes and snapshots are just compounding the problem: more non-musical stuff to manage.

I'm just amplifying JT's frustration to point out that modelers have converged on the preset concept. It's such a ubiquitous, well-established design point that it's hard to say what would replace it. But it's not hard to see the problems with presets....

Somebody needs to question all that, and get back to designing for musicians and the way they use their gear. [I'll stop there, because no one is paying me to do that work, and because if I go any further I'll violate my self-imposed ban on using the term "UX" in a guitar forum...]

Scenes and snapshots weirdly exist to work as presets-within-presets...because preset switching was slow on many devices in the past, and people wanted to be able to switch sets of fx on/off with one button press.

But with gapless switching you get the other issue - continuity between presets. Make changes to e.g your amp sound, you have to do them to all your presets unless your device supports global blocks. Global blocks on the other hand are cumbersome to manage because they are at best an afterthought on the few devices that support them.

Maybe the way presets represent entire signal chains is just totally wrong. If you use a real amp and pedals, you aren't swapping your entire pedalboard between songs.

It would be interesting to see someone approach "what is a preset" from a different angle.

 

[Orvillain]

Yknow, recently even though I got the VP4, I've just been going back to tap dancing with a few pedals, and my amp footswitch.

I'm having a lot more fun playing guitar this way than I did with Helix and a preset-per-song, with a snapshot for each tone within the song.

Sometimes, in life, the best things aren't the easy things.

 

[MadMaxG79]

This makes me want to try and do a cover of "It's a Long Way to the Top (If You Wanna Rock 'N' Roll)" so bad...

 

[mbenigni]

Always on-topic; never gets old.

 

[mbenigni]

I haven't even posted about thinking about a VG800 so I can have acoustic sounds.

I can't keep track of which of these products allegedly does what anymore. Surely Roland has an Excel spreadsheet printed on green and white tractor paper somewhere, for reference?

It's almost like there ought to be a flagship model that does all of this shit, instead of a requirement that you run three or four of them into a mixer, with two different proprietary pickups, and an old VG-8 for good luck, if you want all the sounds.

(Always on-topic; never gets old.)

 

[DrewJD82]

I need to look into the Toggle settings. I have a TON of redundancy around my Scenes because I’m not utilizing it. In the band I’m in now I’m mainly on a dry rhythm tone 85% of the time, the remaining 15% is split between leads and ‘that guy can’t play so he uses lots of effects’ sounds. I have the mix of several effects tied to an expression pedal and I’m a wah junkie, so I’m always thinking about the physical placement of a Scene on my FM9 and how close it is to expression pedals, then going back to a dry rhythm tone after the leads. I end up sticking duplicate scenes on my FM9 to navigate that stuff.

I need to do some refining, I’m still doing way more tap dancing than I want to be, but I think I also had to get some of it out of my system after not playing guitar in a live setting for so long.

 

[ragingplatypi]

 

[Baba]

Yknow, recently even though I got the VP4, I've just been going back to tap dancing with a few pedals, and my amp footswitch.

I'm having a lot more fun playing guitar this way than I did with Helix and a preset-per-song, with a snapshot for each tone within the song.

Sometimes, in life, the best things aren't the easy things.

Why are you liking this approach, better?

 

[JiveTurkey]

Yo that bagpipe clip fucks like a stallion how you do that??!?


Imma bout ready to break my fractal ban just to get that tone and be as obnoxious af to my band aT every opportunity, we seriously lack in Celtic jams

Thank you sir!

Signal chain:

'Violin' style synth block in parallel in front of the amp.

Bagpipe drone

I didn't create this preset; I just grabbed it from the forum and changed the key, the amp, and the cab block. I also dumped a volume block that brought the drone in and out and left it firing all the time. The drone is triggered by an LFO.

Funny thing about the key; the synth blocks have 3 active voices and I only changed one of those voices to the D from A that it was originally in. I am assuming if it was in something not in any sort of key of D that it would sound really gross

On the FM9 which I use live; it only has one synth block. I replaced the top synth block with my EHX POG equivalent and it sounds different but works quite nicely nonetheless.

As far as FAS goes; I'll recommend it for FX (and modeling if you want it) all day everyday forever

That sounds like a helluva good time to be honest.

It is. HUGE variety of songs (obviously) and we get paid to play. So win-win, again?

Yknow, recently even though I got the VP4, I've just been going back to tap dancing with a few pedals, and my amp footswitch.

I'm having a lot more fun playing guitar this way than I did with Helix and a preset-per-song, with a snapshot for each tone within the song.

Sometimes, in life, the best things aren't the easy things.

Tap dancing is actually fun. It feels like you 'build up' into each sound. A killer amp and some great pedals certainly doesn't hinder that experience

This makes me want to try and do a cover of "It's a Long Way to the Top (If You Wanna Rock 'N' Roll)" so bad...

First thing I thought of after the old country song

I can't keep track of which of these products allegedly does what anymore. Surely Roland has an Excel spreadsheet printed on green and white tractor paper somewhere, for reference?

It's almost like there ought to be a flagship model that does all of this shit, instead of a requirement that you run three or four of them into a mixer, with two different proprietary pickups, and an old VG-8 for good luck, if you want all the sounds.

(Always on-topic; never gets old.)

The VG800 is the new GP10 replacement that uses the new GK5 pickups. Every time I get a 'let's add another sound wild hair, I simultaneously get the desire to add acoustic guitar simulation into the mix. The VG would do that. Then I try whatever it is and realize an acoustic guitar sim through a pair of V30s DOES NOT translate, like, at all. Or we dop the one song we try the acoustic with and the whole 'experiment' is rendered useless. I should dig into the FM whatever and see if I can fake an acoustic.