The case for delay after reverb for studio recording. Please add your experiences.

[Orvillain]

@DLC86 please articulate your central assertion.

@DLC86 This is what I mean. I wanted to know what your central assertion was, in nice and easy to understand idiot language. I can only go on what I'm given yknow?

 

[DLC86]

@DLC86 This is what I mean. I wanted to know what your central assertion was, in nice and easy to understand idiot language. I can only go on what I'm given yknow?

Sorry but for some reason didn't see that post at all... anyway, what wasn't clear in my first posts in this thread?
E.g. here seems pretty clear to me that I'm not saying the order never matters

If those two effects don't have any distortion, pitch shifting or heavy modulation baked in, both orders will produce the same exact result.

...the difference in most cases is negligible and only noticeable if distortion/modulation is over the top, not for subtle stuff.
Difference caused by pitch-shifting (shimmer) is easily noticeable on the other hand, ime.

If you don't like the words "in most cases" then, as I said, let's make a survey among all guitarists around the world and let's find out what are the most used delay/reverb settings and types, so we can establish once and for all if those words are accurate or not. In case they're not, I'll give myself 40 lashes on my nuts.
But I'll gladly stop it here, it's been beaten to death (the topic, not my scrotum).

 

[DLC86]

Oh, almost forgot... since no one else wants to participate, here's the blind test reveal: all "A" samples are delay>reverb.
@MirrorProfiles you guessed correctly only 1 out of 4 samples. In all samples the reverb and delay levels are identical, the only thing I changed was delay time (500ms in samples 1 and 2, 300ms in 3 and 4)

 

[ian_dissonance]

So what we’ve learned is: do whatever you want if it sounds good to you. Also, you’re doing it wrong.

 

[Orvillain]

If you don't like the words "in most cases" then, as I said, let's make a survey among all guitarists around the world and let's find out what are the most used delay/reverb settings and types, so we can establish once and for all if those words are accurate or not. In case they're not, I'll give myself 40 lashes on my nuts.

I think most cases would be delay into reverb, simply because it is convention. I'd also say, in most cases, there probably would be differences due to the amount of filtering, modulation, pitch effects, and other non-linearities that people tend to put on their guitars.

Which was what I meant when I said "the real world".

 

[ian_dissonance]

And for studio recording I’m not putting any reverb on anything until it’s in the mix, delay maybe. But probably on the track after recording, not printed unless it’s a wild special effect.

 

[Ed DeGenaro]

And for studio recording I’m not putting any reverb on anything until it’s in the mix, delay maybe. But probably on the track after recording, not printed unless it’s a wild special effect.

Well unless one has can't remember shit disease I guess there's zero reason to commit fx prior to mixing unlike yester-decade where the extra 70 some tracks by slaving 4 24track machines where fir backing vocals, and the majority of sends where used for verbs and comps on the vocals and snare...

 

[Orvillain]

When It comes to guitar, I always commit my pedal effects as I'm recording.

 

[Ed DeGenaro]

When It comes to guitar, I always commit my pedal effects as I'm recording.

Well I was talking stuff after the amp or in the loop.
Stuff before the frontend kinda needs priniting to sound the same.
And clearly you know that... Just pointing it out for the guys who might not.

But while I'm ranting...the whole "nulling" stuff earlier in the conversation is just weird to me.
Since in order to null stuff has to be phase coherent and the same frequency content..
And old school delay sure weren't phase coherent.