Synergy Owners Thread

2dor said:
I hope they do a JCM800 Modified module with the switches from the real amp (mid-shift, ODi/ODii, tight).
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Yeah, if they do a high gain modded 800 or DSL/JVM type thing, I will definitely be buying.

I am considering buying a DSL100HR, but kind of want to hold out to see what Synergy does.
 
Shask said:
Yeah, if they do a high gain modded 800 or DSL/JVM type thing, I will definitely be buying.

I am considering buying a DSL100HR, but kind of want to hold out to see what Synergy does.
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While I agree with you I have to warn you Synergy is slow AF. I think the Syn20IR was close to 2 years after the announcement for it to be for sale.
 
Shask said:
Yeah, if they do a high gain modded 800 or DSL/JVM type thing, I will definitely be buying.

I am considering buying a DSL100HR, but kind of want to hold out to see what Synergy does.
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I think that would be similar to the Killer Kali you have , with the voice switch / saturation clipping
 
GTR37 said:
I think that would be similar to the Killer Kali you have , with the voice switch / saturation clipping
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I would agree with that, having owned and sold both a DSL and a JVM. The DSL was Kruse modded and I liked his brown channel that was added, but I traded it back to the friend I had bought it from in less than a year. Killer Kali is far better and more versatile in high gain and can get some nice crunch tones as well.

I still kind of want the JMP module to cover the Plexi sounds. Had one for a week, but sent it back to Sweetwater. It was a demo discounted model and I blew a fuse just about the time I was getting some nice feedback going. When I got new fuses I tried again and noticed that I had to crank the master on the red channel significantly higher than the other channel, so I do think there was an issue with that one. I may try another one next year. Decided to get a refund for now since I have a bit of Xmas shopping left to do.
 
Another adding another module question.
So I have the
V1 SLO
Engle Powerball
Marshall JMP

I’m thinking of adding either one of the Bogners or the Killer calli and can’t decide.
I’m thinking Bogner as well it’s another boutique brand that are versatile and I’ve always had that itch for one and the Killer Kali seems to kill (sic) for modern metal but will it really be any better than the amazing Red channel if the Powerball ahhg indecisions and tbh I have the Marshall and modded thing covered with the JMP and SLO…
 
GTR37 said:
I think that would be similar to the Killer Kali you have , with the voice switch / saturation clipping
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It's possible. I know the KK is more Modded Plexi in design, and normally 800s have more of that upper mid crunch and kerrrang than Plexis. I would expect that to be the difference.

I have the Be-Dlx also, but it is also Plexi based.
 
PhilA said:
Another adding another module question.
So I have the
V1 SLO
Engle Powerball
Marshall JMP

I’m thinking of adding either one of the Bogners or the Killer calli and can’t decide.
I’m thinking Bogner as well it’s another boutique brand that are versatile and I’ve always had that itch for one and the Killer Kali seems to kill (sic) for modern metal but will it really be any better than the amazing Red channel if the Powerball ahhg indecisions and tbh I have the Marshall and modded thing covered with the JMP and SLO…
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Uber or Drect would give you more of that lower mid focused sound.
 
Shask said:
It's possible. I know the KK is more Modded Plexi in design, and normally 800s have more of that upper mid crunch and kerrrang than Plexis. I would expect that to be the difference.

I have the Be-Dlx also, but it is also Plexi based.
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I get a lot of upper mid kerrang from the Killer Kali when I put the voicing switch in the down position. That is generally where I set my rhythm channel, then use the up position for my lead channel, as it seems to boost mids in a lower frequency range that thickens leads some. The KK is the most versatile modded Marshall type of amp I have ever used. I think I can cover some Plexi to 800 tones and way beyond with more modern sounds as well.
 
Shask said:
Uber or Drect would give you more of that lower mid focused sound.
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I have the Uber and really like it for heavier stuff. I'm also curious about the DRect and wondering how much of an overlap it would be. Uber seems to have some decent and tight low-end and lower mids, but I have a hunch the DRect would be different enough to snag one at some point, with a bit looser lows. For those who have played both, is that a fair assumption?
 
Genghis said:
I get a lot of upper mid kerrang from the Killer Kali when I put the voicing switch in the down position. That is generally where I set my rhythm channel, then use the up position for my lead channel, as it seems to boost mids in a lower frequency range that thickens leads some. The KK is the most versatile modded Marshall type of amp I have ever used. I think I can cover some Plexi to 800 tones and way beyond with more modern sounds as well.
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I haven't traced the KK, but from building JCM800 clones, I think the up position on the EQ switch is the stock JCM800 EQ value, the bottom is the Soldano value, and the middle where it is more mid scooped is a higher value, more like a Fender value. (I might have bottom and middle mixed up).

It does have a lot of upper mids, but not quite like an 800 sound. It is smoother.
 
Genghis said:
I have the Uber and really like it for heavier stuff. I'm also curious about the DRect and wondering how much of an overlap it would be. Uber seems to have some decent and tight low-end and lower mids, but I have a hunch the DRect would be different enough to snag one at some point, with a bit looser lows. For those who have played both, is that a fair assumption?
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I have both. The Uber is much tighter, and the EQ is kind of weird to me. The blue channel is more like a high gain Marshall, and the red channel is more lower mid heavy, but gets very tight with the voicing switch. The Drect is much thicker and looser without a boost in front. The Orange is much lower gain. The red is what you expect from a Recto, but tighter than the real amp, but loose compared to other Synergy modules. The treble and presence controls give you a lot of control over the brightness. The 6505 is in the same world also.
 
Shask said:
I have both. The Uber is much tighter, and the EQ is kind of weird to me. The blue channel is more like a high gain Marshall, and the red channel is more lower mid heavy, but gets very tight with the voicing switch. The Drect is much thicker and looser without a boost in front. The Orange is much lower gain. The red is what you expect from a Recto, but tighter than the real amp, but loose compared to other Synergy modules. The treble and presence controls give you a lot of control over the brightness. The 6505 is in the same world also.
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Thanks for the detailed description. It sounds like they are different enough that the DRect might be a good one for me to get for certain things. I have the tight stuff with my MkIIC+ and JP2C, and the Kali gets the kind of Marshall tones I gravitate towards. Next year I’ll probably add the DRect and the JMP so I have plexi sounds as well.
 
Genghis said:
Thanks for the detailed description. It sounds like they are different enough that the DRect might be a good one for me to get for certain things. I have the tight stuff with my MkIIC+ and JP2C, and the Kali gets the kind of Marshall tones I gravitate towards. Next year I’ll probably add the DRect and the JMP so I have plexi sounds as well.
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The Drect is fatter/more saturated than say the IICP module. Not as stiff/tight as the Powerball. I generally prefer it with a boost for any metal stuff. I think it is unique enough against the others,
 
Shask said:
I haven't traced the KK, but from building JCM800 clones, I think the up position on the EQ switch is the stock JCM800 EQ value, the bottom is the Soldano value, and the middle where it is more mid scooped is a higher value, more like a Fender value. (I might have bottom and middle mixed up).

It does have a lot of upper mids, but not quite like an 800 sound. It is smoother.
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I don’t know much about the inner workings, but my ears tell me that the up position has a nice, thick midrange that I love for leads, and the other two can work well for what I want in rhythm guitar. Middle position is scooped and the lower position has a bit more upper mids. I go back and forth a bit on which one I like best, but I turn up the midrange higher when using the scooped to get it where I want it. Bottom position sits in the mix better without boosting the midrange knob, and stays out of the way of the vocal pretty nicely. I do adjust a bit of EQ with my Axe-FX to get my tones dialed in just right for the modern gain patches, but on the more 70s and 80s stuff I don’t use additional EQ.
 
Genghis said:
I don’t know much about the inner workings, but my ears tell me that the up position has a nice, thick midrange that I love for leads, and the other two can work well for what I want in rhythm guitar. Middle position is scooped and the lower position has a bit more upper mids. I go back and forth a bit on which one I like best, but I turn up the midrange higher when using the scooped to get it where I want it. Bottom position sits in the mix better without boosting the midrange knob, and stays out of the way of the vocal pretty nicely. I do adjust a bit of EQ with my Axe-FX to get my tones dialed in just right for the modern gain patches, but on the more 70s and 80s stuff I don’t use additional EQ.
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Yeah, if it is doing what I think it is, the up position is the Marshall values that lets in more lower mids. When you switch it, it moves the mid frequency lower, so it cuts more lower mids, and lets more upper mids through. It kind of gives that effect of deeper scooped mids, less bass, and more upper mids. The up and middle are the extremes, and the bottom position is in between the other 2.
 
Shask said:
The Drect is fatter/more saturated than say the IICP module. Not as stiff/tight as the Powerball. I generally prefer it with a boost for any metal stuff. I think it is unique enough against the others,
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I had the IICP and it sounded fine, but the graphic sliders are way too small to make fine adjustments on. A friend here in town had a 1984 DRGX Mesa Mk IIC+ that he inherited from his brother (original owner) and he made me a great deal on it and got me started buying amps again after just using Axe-FX for some time.

Your description on the difference is pretty much what I would expect. FWIW I was playing clubs in Southern California back in the 80s when most people were gigging Marshall stacks. I used a Mesa MkIIb combo sitting on an old 4x12 that was upgraded with nice Celestions. The sound in my head that I was going for was similar to what people eventually started getting from the Dual Rectifiers once they were invented. And for some reason, I have never owned one yet. Lol
 
Shask said:
Yeah, if it is doing what I think it is, the up position is the Marshall values that lets in more lower mids. When you switch it, it moves the mid frequency lower, so it cuts more lower mids, and lets more upper mids through. It kind of gives that effect of deeper scooped mids, less bass, and more upper mids. The up and middle are the extremes, and the bottom position is in between the other 2.
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That makes sense. The scoop is pretty extreme and the difference between that with the mids at 2 o’clock or higher and the down position with the mids closer to noon is fairly subtle, but I had a preference to the down position.
 
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